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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*
- Thread starter Zeberdi
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Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Agreed, it is definitely a placeholder for set of disparate grievances, thus making it meaningless, and grates every time I hear it. They need to be specific and list what is upsetting them, as that *should* open up discussion.
Some Americans are church weridos, this is not new is it?
Baffling. It's one thing holding certain thoughts, but who in their right mind makes a placard with 'Women are Property' written on it?
Is this for real?
BBassic
I changed this.
- Jul 28, 2011
- 13,043
Interesting thread on Reddit about the Gen Z vote lurching right and some of the people in that thread explaining why they'd voted for Trump were saying it was a combination of feeling like they'd been ostracised by the Woke Left and also because the Republicans promise a return to "traditional values"
Y'know - none of that queer stuff, women back in the kitchen (or in the maternity ward), persons of colour maybe not having as many freedoms as they currently enjoy. That sort of stuff.
I'm sure it'll all be fine though. Trump promised he had no idea what Project 2025 even was.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,013
given he lies so much, fails to deliver on so much more, why assume this area is something he'll successfully follow through on? it's not in his power as President, it's up to the legislators in Senate and House. if indeed they want to overturn their entire structure of democracy, restructure their republic they hold so dearly, that's another matter.
I agree to a point. Politics aside, Trump is such a well known reprehensible person, aligning oneself with him says a lot about one's own moral values.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
The total vote is rather strange; 14 million fewer Dem votes than 2020 AND 2 million fewer GOP votes than 2020, so 16 million LESS people voted than last time despite this being touted as an existential crisis for democracy. I wonder if there are millions of uncounted (mainly Dem) mail-in votes stashed away? Just wondering.24 hours on and when you take it all in Emily Maitlis wasn’t far wrong it is kind of batshit, he said in a live debate immigrants were eating household pets, he was the first ever US President to be criminally prosecuted and was found guilty, he let an openly racist ‘comedian’ speak at one of his blue riband rallies, MSG, yet still had the majority of voting Americans tick his box.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Traditional values doesn't necessarily mean removing women's rights, or removing rights based on ethnicity, does it? I'm sure most people think of it more in terms of stable family and community lives. Is that bad?
BBassic
I changed this.
- Jul 28, 2011
- 13,043
No of course it doesn't necessarily mean that. But I'll eat my hat if some of the people who've voted for him don't have that as their end goal.
When you consider they've already done away with Roe V Wade it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think more changes are in the pipeline.
To your second point - what defines a "family"? Two loving parents and a child. Is it OK if those parents are two men? Two women? Two transgender people?
I'm not asking you to actually define that by the way - merely pointing out that some people (and some of those people might well end up in Trumps cabinet) will have an extermely well defined idea of a family which doesn't include any of the scenarios I just listed.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Including Puerto Ricans, who voted in large numbers for Trump.
Lenny Rider
Well-known member
- Sep 15, 2010
- 6,010
Didn’t realise that, very strange almost the stuff of conspiracy theorists, an outsider might question the Dems have had this election ‘stolen’ from them?
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
I don't disagree with any of that, and it's those some that need to be kept in check on either side of the political divide. For example, removing women's rights to bodily autonomy by the extreme right, is just as bad as trying to remove their rights to female only spaces and sports by the extreme left.
nicko31
Well-known member
They might set up some labour camps, might offset things a bit
pb21
Well-known member
- Apr 23, 2010
- 6,684
It is a bit stange.
2008: GOP 60.0m DEM 69.5m Total 129.5m
2012: GOP 61.0m DEM 66.0m Total 127.0m
2016: GOP 63.0m DEM 65.8m Total 128.8m
2020: GOP 74.2m DEM 81.3m Total 155.5m
2024: GOP 72.6m DEM 68.0m Total 140.6m
Massive increse in 2020 generally and for Dem specifically.
They already have a massive prison estate, with compulsory, low paid labour...
nicko31
Well-known member
My own kids listen to this stuff and at times I see misogyny slipping into their language toward their own mother. This doesn't mean they agree with the likes of Tate and company. Farage was targeting this age group at the last election, wait till the dark money starts hitting Reform.
Its an eye opener
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
For someone who is not an apologist for the orange bumble****, you certainly seem happy to stand up for him.
- May 8, 2018
- 10,612
I’ve only just stopped laughing at the decision by Channel 4 to cast Stormy Daniels next to Boris Johnson as an equal political commentator and for Johnson to seemingly take it seriously with such retort as “Stormy that is preposterous” and “Stormy, I know the man”
Nottseagull
Well-known member
I'm wondering if Trump approved/made the choice of that song, and whether he knew it was by a gay band.