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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%

  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%

  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%
  • Total voters
    413
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jcdenton08

jcdenton08

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Oct 17, 2008
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BadFish said:
Absolutely agree that this is the way it is. But I disagree that this is the best way to make our decision.

If the electorate settle for slogans, songs, lies and vague notions of sunlit uplands then we get what we deserve.

Spin is king and damn any accountability.

And ain't life grand.
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Tim Rice’s lyrics in Evita seem appropriate;

The people belong to no-one!
They are fickle, can be manipulated, they don't matter!
 






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Sea Cider

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Dec 27, 2012
553
Pavilionaire said:
I know 52% of Americans THINK he has been a disaster, but the reality is 2.8% growth, 4.1% unemployment, 2.4% inflation, falling interest rates and saving Ukraine from a Russian takeover might not be everything voters would have wished for but is hardly "a disaster", i.e. Liz Truss.

As for Michelle Obama, sadly I don't see why that black woman would have fared any differently to Harris. America has some way to go when it comes to racism and sexism.
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Precisely. I'd love to know why Giraffe thinks Biden has been a "disaster". Too much time on Facebook and Twitter I would guess
 


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Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
15,992
Lenny Rider said:
You said no one would have beaten Trump, but that surely has to do with the calibre of the candidates which is what the guy said to me in November 2016?

Just out of interest Greg, in almost a fantasy election type scenario, are you saying Michelle Obama (many people's candidate choice) would have lost?
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Yes, probably.
 






BadFish

BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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jcdenton08 said:
Tim Rice’s lyrics in Evita seem appropriate;

The people belong to no-one!
They are fickle, can be manipulated, they don't matter!
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Agreed.

'The public wants what the public gets' Paul Weller. Always rings true for me.
 




Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
31,253
Lenny Rider said:
Just out of interest Greg, in almost a fantasy election type scenario, are you saying Michelle Obama (many people's candidate choice) would have lost?
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He's already beaten one wife of an ex-President, and she was white.
 




sparkie

sparkie

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Jul 17, 2003
13,255
Hove
Sea Cider said:
How deeply depressing. It's like Brexit all over again. To my mind a main root of both event outcomes is the vast vomit of misinformation that spills forth from FB and X. No idea how this will ever be fixed. The human race & our planet is in serious trouble.
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Bingo.

Shut them down ASAP and heal society.
 


jcdenton08

jcdenton08

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Oct 17, 2008
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My theory about US President’s is, Obama aside, they all look like the president. Old, white guys.

I think this is so ingrained in people too, it makes a difference. Think about depictions of the president in practically every movie and TV show before the 2020’s.

Obama broke the mould because he was a brilliant candidate and man. And male.

What Hillary Clinton and Harris both have in common, aside from being women, is how bang average they were. Both campaigns were about stopping the other guy, not what they could actually offer.
 


BadFish

BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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Pavilionaire said:
I can't wait to see how tax cuts, spend spend spend and protectionism interact with his other pledge to "end inflation". Any student of GCSE Economics knows how that will turn out.
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Apparently this doesn't matter though, as long as everyone feels good about it. 😂
 




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dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
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Tom Hark Preston Park said:
He'll doubtless try and change the rules on that. He's already hinted at it. Worked for his mate Putin
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In his victory speech he said it was his last campaign.

Besides, to change the constitution needs two thirds of the senate, two thirds of the House, and three quarters of the state to ratify it. To abolish Roe v Wade just needed the Supreme Court to agree that abortion was a state issue, not a federal issue.
 


BadFish

BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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sparkie said:
Bingo.

Shut them down ASAP and heal society.
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.... Or put one of the owners right amongst the Government of one of the most powerful countries in the world.

What could go wrong.
 






jcdenton08

jcdenton08

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Oct 17, 2008
14,359
dsr-burnley said:
In his victory speech he said it was his last campaign.

Besides, to change the constitution needs two thirds of the senate, two thirds of the House, and three quarters of the state to ratify it. To abolish Roe v Wade just needed the Supreme Court to agree that abortion was a state issue, not a federal issue.
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Donald Trump repeats controversial ‘You won’t have to vote any more’ claim | Donald Trump | The Guardian

Republican presidential nominee denies threatening to stay in office after end of possible second term in Fox interview
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

He wants to be Putin. Mark my words, sooner or later in his term, there will be a totally organic *cough* “groundswell of support” for Trump to take an unprecedented third term.
 


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Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
10,219
saaf of the water
Commander said:
If you are an American in a small town that used to have a power plant / factory / car plant that most of the town worked in and brought prosperity and a comfortable existence to the town and it's people, and was shut down years ago due to globalisation / climate change policies, and now there are every few opportunities and a fairly miserable existence, then when someone comes along and tells you he will bring all that back and make things like they used to be, then surely you can see the attraction in that?

If you are an American in a small town in a pretty miserable existence who has never left your State, let alone the US and somebody comes along and says that rather than send £150 billion to a country you've never heard of in a far away continent you have never even considered visiting, he is going to invest that money back in the US in towns like yours to make your life prosperous again, can you really say you wouldn't be tempted to vote for that?

The fact is that America is not New York and Washington and San Francisco like we picture in the UK. Most of the country is much more like the scenarios described above. And I totally understand why people in that section of America would vote for Trump. In fact, it's blindingly obvious why they would. It's the same phenomenon with Brexit- people in well-to-do, wealthy and prosperous Sussex can't understand why somebody with a shit life in a dump like Hartlepool would vote for Brexit, because they are doing OK. But put yourself in those people's shoes and you would very likely have a different world view.

To be clear, I voted Remain, voted Labour in this year's election, and wanted Harris to win. But people here dismissing seventy million people as fat racist idiots for voting for Trump is just embarrassing.

I think Trump's win is a terrible result for Ukraine, and a pretty poor result for the UK and Europe. But for your average American? Not convinced it's a bad thing for them, and that is what people tend to vote on- how it will affect their individual lives.
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This is pretty much spot on.

Too many Brits think that because they've been to New York / DC / California they think they know and undertsand Americans and the States. Sneering down their noses at those who don't see the world through the same liberal glasses. Plenty of those on here.

I've spent some time in the flyover States and the people there, especially in rural areas feel left behind.

They feel that under Trump they will be better off, and safer.
 


dwayne

dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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BadFish said:
Apparently this doesn't matter though, as long as everyone feels good about it. 😂
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He got away with it last time. Inflation wasnt bad then. I think it's a lot more complex in modern times. I'm sure he will try every trick in the book to put a shiny veneer on things. But suspect the country will be more of a mess in 4 years even if the good times continue now for a few years.
 






GrizzlingGammon

GrizzlingGammon

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Dec 15, 2018
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Trump is now speaking to the Americans.

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dwayne

dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
16,250
London
Well .... It's very early days , but the first prediction from the drama crazy press that massive unrest will boil over if either candidate wins hasn't transpired yet and I highly doubt it will. I wonder how many of the other doomsday predictions will happen?
 


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