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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%

  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%

  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%
  • Total voters
    413
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dwayne

dwayne

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
16,269
London
Bozza said:
That's not actually true. For example, this is a post I made on this thread on the 15th October...

I'll describe a friend of mine in the US. You tell me who they vote for...​
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- Female​
- University educated​
- Bright​
- Funny​
- Socially aware​
- Lives in Southern California​
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...you've guessed she votes Trump, because I wouldn't be asking otherwise.​
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In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.​
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A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.​
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And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.​
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Blindly dismissing tens of millions of people as stupid is easy to do, but short-sighted.

Gullible may be a more accurate tag, if any has to be found.

Trump has perfected the playbook of convincing a lot of people that he's in their corner, fighting for them. He's really not. If the working people are better off, it's merely a side-effect of those he's actually focused on.
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Yes but your post above is a needle in a haystack in this thread !!

But you're right ....Trump is so short termist people will be a lot better off under him for the 4 years. He will cut taxes , print more money ,interest rates will go down again. You can already see the markets love it.


..... But the US national debt is going to be alarming when he exits and someone else will have to clean up the mess.
 








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Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
16,062
Lenny Rider said:
Around this time 8 years ago whilst on a cruise, had a beer or two with a very level headed, educated gent from Chicago who was lamenting it was probably one of the most significant elections in the free world, the top job in the US, and they’d ended up with Trump and Clinton as the final two, someone has just said the self same thing on the TV nearly 10 years on 🤷‍♂️
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Sorry, what's your point?
 






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Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
16,062
dwayne said:
I'm not. There's a way to support your candidate without trashing and looking down on the other side. And that goes for Dems and republicans.
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I actually agree.

A bit like how you should get behind all the players in your football team and not single ones out and slag them off at almost every opportunity.

Oh...
 


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Mo Gosfield

Well-known member
Aug 11, 2010
6,362
dwayne said:
Yep and it mirrors the rhetoric on here. Anyone daring to show any support for the republicans shot down as an idiot, lambasted. The real idiots are the arrogant people who keep up this line of debate.
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It mirrors the polarity of society now. No middle ground, no reason, no debate. Its them and us. Thick, ignorant racists v sensible people. The inability to accept an alternative viewpoint. Trump is a vile felon. Harris is a respectable person. Right wing fascism and bigotry v left wing social caring.
 








peterward

peterward

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Nov 11, 2009
12,281
Cordwainer said:
Kinnell.
So the populist politics of hate, division and misogyny win out then. Seems some people genuinely believe he is interested in anything other than revenge, ensuring his ego didn’t suffer the ignominy of being a one term president and wealth accumulation. Not forgetting allowing Elon Smell et al to peddle uncensored nonsense online (you think social media is bad now!) and Vlad some lovely holiday homes in Western Europe. The world is just that little bit darker this morning.

Viva California.
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Yep.

And with Trump in WH, expect Farage to use same tactics of making people angry and divided and surges for Reform, Front National in France and Afd in Germany.

The new age of Neo Fascist populism is here.
 










Uh_huh_him

Uh_huh_him

Well-known member
Sep 28, 2011
12,138
Bozza said:
Gullible may be a more accurate tag, if any has to be found.

Trump has perfected the playbook of convincing a lot of people that he's in their corner, fighting for them. He's really not. If the working people are better off, it's merely a side-effect of those he's actually focused on.
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I would argue that they aren't all gullible.

Most know exactly who he is and what he represents.
The rest of the career politicians are equally out for vested interests, they just present themselves as something completely different.

Trump is just benefiting from a disillusioned electorate.
They know exactly what they are getting.

They vote for him because the alternative has failed them.
 






dwayne

dwayne

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
16,269
London
Mo Gosfield said:
Well...thank God we have the Labour Party to rescue us, turn our economy round and create wealth for us all.
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Yer im jealous in some sense because labour are the boring party telling us to pay our debt down making us all poorer in the short term.

Whereas the states have now got a 4 year party extension , spend , spend ,spend .... Tax cuts galore , screw the future, live for now !!
 


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ROSM

Well-known member
Dec 26, 2005
6,777
Just far enough away from LDC
dwayne said:
I'm not. There's a way to support your candidate without trashing and looking down on the other side. And that goes for Dems and republicans.
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If you see someone who is intent on putting their head in a deep fat fryer then you would hope to persuade them. People may try calm reasoning, they may resort to yelling at them. If that person says they were told to do it as it would help them then your responses may become more urgent and passionate.

That's the situation here. Don't confuse urgency as trashing someone.

But just because 52% of people ignore the 'experts' and put their head in a deep fat fryer, it doesn't make it the right thing to do
 


Jackthelad

Jackthelad

Well-known member
Mar 31, 2010
1,074
Democrats can only blame themselves they had a senile old perv that would get lost on the stage and an unpopular fake in Kamala who proceeded to laugh like a manic donkey throughout her campaign. A normal democrat would’ve won.
 






Zeberdi

Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
6,941
Zeberdi said:
Worth repeating what I said last night, democracy is carving itself to splinters while autocracy is having its best year since 1937.
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Dibdab said:
Why is it? Dont get carried away with nonsense media narratives.
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Wake up and smell the coffee.

It’s not “nonsense” - the ascendancy of populism and far right is the zeitgeist and it’s happening all over Europe too. 7 European Countries now have a far right party in government.

Putin, Netanyahu, Orban and Trump are changing the global face of politics converging in a movement of fascist sympathies and strongly autocratic governance.

Reform out-performing the Tories and far right riots in the UK.

It definitely isn’t a media ‘narrative’ nor am I ‘getting carried away‘ with anything - I suggest you read Project 25, the hard right’s blueprint for change under a Trump Presidency.

www.ibanet.org

The year of elections: The rise of Europe’s far right

After strong showings in recent elections, there are far-right parties in government in seven European countries. Global Insight assesses the threat to the rule of law and what can be done to protect it.
www.ibanet.org www.ibanet.org
www.theguardian.com

Is Trump actually a fascist – and why does the answer matter?

Given the comparisons to Hitler and Mussolini, experts say it’s important to remember that fascism is a process
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 


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