[Drinking] Children in pubs

The Clamp · Friday at 5:32 AM

Kids don’t belong in pubs.

There are thousands of places for children.

There aren’t many places left exclusively for adults.

But I think authentic pubs are dying out in many areas.

BadFish · Friday at 5:42 AM

The pubs obviously make more money out of families than they do out of miserable old bastards.

Obviously I am both joking and in the miserable old bastard camp. Pubs should cater for us not families, the former is a haven from the latter.

Surely another option is available though, perhaps an improvement in signage is called for?

Chicken Run · Friday at 6:20 AM

Wrong-Direction said:
Kids are definitely ruining the pub experience recently

Regrettably it’s the brewery’s and cost of drinking that’s ruined the Pub Experience which is why Landlords and Pub Managers allow children in in the first place!

Zeberdi · Friday at 6:27 AM

Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ said:
Disappointing to see England’s shameful attitude towards children being adopted on NSC.

On the contrary, every post on this thread is complaining about children behaving badly in shared public places and their noisy intrusive behaviour upsetting those who want to sit and chill. No reasonable person objects to kids sitting reasonably quietly at a table eating with the grown ups. The problem really with many pubs is that since the tough drinking and driving laws were brought in, they have morphed into restaurants/eateries to stay profitable so attract a non-drinking clientele now.

A minority of parents these days, it seems, have weaponised their kids to dominate and disrupt whatever public space they are in as a projection of their own selfish and passive aggressive desire to control the space around them.

I love kids and have absolutely no problem with children in pubs or other public social environments (in fact adults behave better when children are around) as long as when are they are, they aren’t engaged in behaviour that is intrusive ie running all over the place and at a volume 100dBs.

The UK has one of the worst diets in Europe for processed foods and unhealthy food consumption in children which as has been touched on above, impacts on their behaviour - children in the UK, unlike children in continental Europe also don’t typically eat an evening meal with the parents - it is very usual in Europe to see kids out with their parents having their evening meal in a restaurant/bar and being well behaved while doing so. Therefore, it is not a novelty or ‘big occasion’ so kids are much less likely to be overly excited about an ‘outing’ to the local eatery/bar. In Southern Europe particularly kids are used to staying up later in the evening because of the culture of afternoon siestas.

Chicken Run · Friday at 6:31 AM

Zeberdi said:
On the contrary, every post on this thread is complaining about children behaving badly in shared public places and their noisy intrusive behaviour upsetting those who want to sit and chill. No reasonable person objects to kids sitting reasonably quietly at a table eating with the grown ups.

A minority of parents these days, it seems, have weaponised their kids to dominate and disrupt whatever public space they are in as a projection of their own selfish and passive aggressive desire to control the space around them.

I love kids and have absolutely no problem with children in pubs or other public social environments (in fact adults behave better when children are around) as long as when are they are, they aren’t engaged in behaviour that is intrusive ie running all over the place and at a volume 100dBs.

The UK has one of the worst diets in Europe for processed foods and unhealthy food consumption in children which as has been touched on above, impacts on their behaviour - children in the UK, unlike children in continental Europe also don’t typically eat an evening meal with the parents - it is very usual in Europe to see kids out with their parents having their evening meal in a restaurant/bar and being well behaved while doing so. Therefore, it is not a novelty or ‘big occasion’ so kids are much less likely to be overly excited about an ‘outing’ to the local eatery/bar. In Southern Europe particularly kids are used to staying up later in the evening because of the culture of afternoon siestas.

Well in another 5 years ( In Brighton anyway) we will start to see one of the few benefits of the dramatically declining birth rate and in ten years problem solved

Zeberdi · Friday at 6:43 AM

Chicken Run said:
Well in another 5 years ( In Brighton anyway) we will start to see one of the few benefits of the dramatically declining birth rate and in ten years problem solved

As long as the declining birthrate observes the laws of natural selection and weeds out the selfish neanderthals and sad fcuks who’s sole enjoyment in life is to try and make other people’s lives as miserable as their own, I don’t have a problem with that.

Guinness Boy · Friday at 6:50 AM

South Stand Bonfire said:
Just had a post drinks evening out with two colleagues from work in Poets Cornet in Hove. I get that pubs need to cater for all needs and I have no issue with children in pubs normally , but when did Halloween become an excuse for a night out for groups of 10/12 people with 4/5 year olds in pubs shouting the place down until 9pm?

See your first mistake was going for a quiet drink on Halloween and your second was doing so in Poets Corner! I’m afraid you stumbled on the inevitable.

That said I find kids in pubs, especially in the later hours, annoying too. I’m lucky in Portslade that there’s a range though. The Railway has long been like the kid infested pubs in Poets Corner, not surprising as it’s owned by the George Payne people. But you’ve got the Foghorn for discerning lovers of craft beer, Blue Anchor is a decent working class lager pub with a pool table but also great food and the Vic is for your 10am alkies and total psychopaths,

Choice is the answer here. Poets Corner seems to only have the kiddy pubs but most of the rest of the city has a good range.

Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ · Friday at 7:03 AM

Zeberdi said:
On the contrary, every post on this thread is complaining about children behaving badly in shared public places and their noisy intrusive behaviour upsetting those who want to sit and chill. No reasonable person objects to kids sitting reasonably quietly at a table eating with the grown ups. The problem really with many pubs is that since the tough drinking and driving laws were brought in, they have morphed into restaurants/eateries to stay profitable so attract a non-drinking clientele now.

A minority of parents these days, it seems, have weaponised their kids to dominate and disrupt whatever public space they are in as a projection of their own selfish and passive aggressive desire to control the space around them.

I love kids and have absolutely no problem with children in pubs or other public social environments (in fact adults behave better when children are around) as long as when are they are, they aren’t engaged in behaviour that is intrusive ie running all over the place and at a volume 100dBs.

The UK has one of the worst diets in Europe for processed foods and unhealthy food consumption in children which as has been touched on above, impacts on their behaviour - children in the UK, unlike children in continental Europe also don’t typically eat an evening meal with the parents - it is very usual in Europe to see kids out with their parents having their evening meal in a restaurant/bar and being well behaved while doing so. Therefore, it is not a novelty or ‘big occasion’ so kids are much less likely to be overly excited about an ‘outing’ to the local eatery/bar. In Southern Europe particularly kids are used to staying up later in the evening because of the culture of afternoon siestas.

Sounds like you're labelling kids that are just being kids are "behaving badly" and being "noisy and intrusive" in your opinion, and one that seems to be widely shared by other British people. The idea that people "weaponise their kids to disrupt public space" is just insane. You are an absolute first rate :wanker:

mate.

I'm glad my kids get to spend a large portion of their childhood abroad and not in the vicinity of people like you.

You're going back on ignore. The only reason I took you off ignore is that you started the initial Fabian Hurzeler thread and it was hard to follow the news with your threads not appearing on the main board.

Mr Bridger · Friday at 7:20 AM

Sums it up.

ROSM · Friday at 7:30 AM

In central Brighton there is a rule of no u18s in pubs after 8pm I believe

That's the best of both worlds in my view (and I say this as someone with 3 kids u18)

I used to live in Poets Corner and the pubs now reflect the people who live there. So many more houses now extended to cater for larger families. My now wife and I lived in a 2 bedroom (+ 1 box room) house which is now a 4 bedroom (with extension into roof and the remainder of the back yard area). So that brings kids.

Have to say I loved living in that area

Zeberdi · Friday at 7:32 AM

Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ said:
Sounds like you're labelling kids that are just being kids are "behaving badly" and being "noisy and intrusive" in your opinion, and one that seems to be widely shared by other British people. The idea that people "weaponise their kids to disrupt public space" is just insane. You are an absolute first rate mate.

I'm glad my kids get to spend a large portion of their childhood abroad and not in the vicinity of people like you.

You're going back on ignore. The only reason I took you off ignore is that you started the initial Fabian Hurzeler thread and it was hard to follow the news with your threads not appearing on the main board.

Wow - complete overreaction. Read my post again, I actually said I don’t mind kids in pubs if they behave quietly.

Zeberdi said:
I love kids and have absolutely no problem with children in pubs or other public social environments (in fact adults behave better when children are around) as long as when are they are, they aren’t engaged in behaviour that is intrusive ie running all over the place and at a volume 100dBs.

Read the room you pathetic troll.

We don’t want your kids running around pubs screaming and generally being poorly behaved when we want to chill out and have a relaxing meal or drink in the evening.

And yes, I’ll stand by what I said, some parents it seems to me, think they have a god-given right to dominate public spaces by making no effort to moderate or control their kids behaviour.

I grew up spending a lot of time in France and kids were never as badly behaved in restaurants and bars as they are in the UK at times for the reasons I stated above.

Guinness Boy · Friday at 7:36 AM

ROSM said:
In central Brighton there is a rule of no u18s in pubs after 8pm I believe

That's the best of both worlds in my view (and I say this as someone with 3 kids u18)

I used to live in Poets Corner and the pubs now reflect the people who live there. So many more houses now extended to cater for larger families. My now wife and I lived in a 2 bedroom (+ 1 box room) house which is now a 4 bedroom (with extension into roof and the remainder of the back yard area). So that brings kids.

Have to say I loved living in that area

I grew up there and it was very different! Tiny house, tiny yard and some properties were still social housing. “The pub” was The Eclipse and only my dad and uncle went there. Every other Saturday it was full of dodgy Brighton fans.

The forbidden nature of it got me interested in both “the pub” and the football. What were they like? Why was dad so happy when he left to go there and grumpy when he came back?

Now kids grow up in pubs and I do wonder if that’s why many of the younger generation don’t drink, having seen that it’s actually just another place where mum drinks Prosecco.

ATFC Seagull · Friday at 7:40 AM

I spent a lot of my childhood in Ireland where it was the norm, but you behaved. Could even sit at the bar. Nice times spent with the adults in my life.

Nothing wrong with kids in pubs but:

1) Shouldn't be for too long and the adults shouldn't be drinking too much
2) They need to sit down and keep appropriate volume etc.

I think it's sad when I can't take my son into the pub to watch a football match or have a quick drink and sit down.

ROSM · Friday at 7:49 AM

Guinness Boy said:
I grew up there and it was very different! Tiny house, tiny yard and some properties were still social housing. “The pub” was The Eclipse and only my dad and uncle went there. Every other Saturday it was full of dodgy Brighton fans.

The forbidden nature of it got me interested in both “the pub” and the football. What were they like? Why was dad so happy when he left to go there and grumpy when he came back?

Now kids grow up in pubs and I do wonder if that’s why many of the younger generation don’t drink, having seen that it’s actually just another place where mum drinks Prosecco.

The eclipse was the archetypal 2 bar pub. Public bar (men only) and saloon bar (comfy seats and women). Loved it in there in 80s and 90s. And interesting fact, they were the 1st business to support the Bring Home the Albion campaign in Nov 1997 (most of the planning sessions ended up being in their meeting room upstairs).

The Rutland and portland were also old fashioned boozers too. As was the kendal arms (now george payne). But as you say, kids outside with crisps and a corona (the old fashioned ones not the fancy faux lager). When I started getting in pubs as a 16 year old I was probably worse than my kids are now because , despite being allowed alcohol in moderation at home - legacy of an Italian mother who had watered down wine on Sundays as a kid - alcohol and binge drinking was a mystery I decided to explore often

Zeberdi · Friday at 7:49 AM

Guinness Boy said:
The forbidden nature of it got me interested in both “the pub” and the football. What were they like? Why was dad so happy when he left to go there and grumpy when he came back?

Now kids grow up in pubs and I do wonder if that’s why many of the younger generation don’t drink, having seen that it’s actually just another place where mum drinks Prosecco.

That’s an interesting thought - when you think about it, Pubs full of strollers and kids running round doesn’t make for the edgy, rite of passage sort of environment that pubs were for us in our teens.

As @Justice said above, as young kids, we were dumped outside with a bottle of coke and bag of crisps!

Sid and the Sharknados · Friday at 7:52 AM

Guinness Boy said:
Now kids grow up in pubs and I do wonder if that’s why many of the younger generation don’t drink, having seen that it’s actually just another place where mum drinks Prosecco.

I assumed it was because children and young people are twats who want to ruin everything for everybody.

Zeberdi · Friday at 8:06 AM

Mums on Mumsnet throwing buns about kids in public places :lol:

Page 3 | The obsession with children being loud in public and disturbing others... | Mumsnet

On here, is incredible. I'm nearly 40 years old and I don't think any child has ever disturbed me while I was out in public. I just don&#0...

www.mumsnet.com

CheeseRolls · Friday at 8:11 AM

I live around the corner from the Harbour Club on Shoreham Beach. I was a member for a year and then let it lapse. I guess it felt a bit too much like an old fashioned holiday camp minus the bingo. It is a brilliant place for adults to take kids in that the kids can play outside on the sand with minimal supervision, whilst the adults chill.

As other have said it is largely about parenting. Even the best behaved of children can't sit still and entertain themselves forever.

ROSM · Friday at 8:14 AM

Am I the only one who reads mumsnet and tries to picture what the posters look like based on their terminology and opinions?

So many of them i think look like the one on the right from this podcast. Posh, chelsea set, see children as an accessory

Although I suspect most are like Mrs Trunchbull from Matilda

Zeberdi said:
Mums on Mumsnet throwing buns about kids in public places

Page 3 | The obsession with children being loud in public and disturbing others... | Mumsnet

On here, is incredible. I'm nearly 40 years old and I don't think any child has ever disturbed me while I was out in public. I just don&#0...

www.mumsnet.com

wellquickwoody · Friday at 8:18 AM

Guinness Boy said:
I grew up there and it was very different! Tiny house, tiny yard and some properties were still social housing. “The pub” was The Eclipse and only my dad and uncle went there. Every other Saturday it was full of dodgy Brighton fans.

The forbidden nature of it got me interested in both “the pub” and the football. What were they like? Why was dad so happy when he left to go there and grumpy when he came back?

Now kids grow up in pubs and I do wonder if that’s why many of the younger generation don’t drink, having seen that it’s actually just another place where mum drinks Prosecco.

The Eclipse? Dodgy Brighton fans?

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