I know right! It reminds me of the shocking witch hunt when Guy Butters played for us and someone from NSC put him on Ebay for a £1 after a few bad performances and publicly humiliated him. He turned out pretty good in the end and I think Matts will too. Who was that anyway? I forget.
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[Albion] Mats Wieffer SINGS on 5 year contract
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I know right! It reminds me of the shocking witch hunt when Guy Butters played for us and someone from NSC put him on Ebay for a £1 after a few bad performances and publicly humiliated him. He turned out pretty good in the end and I think Matts will too. Who was that anyway? I forget.
Jimmy Grimble
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Who has definitely made their mind up on him?
Again, there is a big difference between writing a player off and expressing initial concerns with them.
I think there’s still a good chance he’ll prove to be a valuable player for us, but I also think he’s had an underwhelming start.
Deportivo Seagull
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It takes most players a season to get up to speed …. so some of the comments on here are just plain stupid ….
Terry Butcher Tribute Act
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I think he's had an underwhelming start too. He's started what, two games due to injury?
But read back the posts after last night's game and you can see it's all premeditated stuff off the back of Saturday about him having had a 'mare last night. He clearly didn't
Not so sure. The pass against Wolves was just 'one of those things', and I defended him on that. He did okay last night. But standing around looking lost with extremely poor body language for the whole passage for the third goal really wasn't a good look. Fans have always forgiven errors - but we do expect effort and desire.
Squad/bench player. Nothing more, nothing less.
southstandandy
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He needs time and ultimately game time to try to improve. As I've said before no one should be writing him off, although in all likelihood one or two of our new additions probably won't quite make it (that's just the law of averages).
This time last year I was one who thought Baleba didn't look much, but look how he's developed. Thankfully if Wieffer does struggle (I hope he won't) we do have other options in that position, Baleba being the obvious one. With O'Reilly to come back soon, Gomez hopefully in January, and Milner as another back up option, fortunately it's a position we are relatively well covered for.
This time last year I was one who thought Baleba didn't look much, but look how he's developed. Thankfully if Wieffer does struggle (I hope he won't) we do have other options in that position, Baleba being the obvious one. With O'Reilly to come back soon, Gomez hopefully in January, and Milner as another back up option, fortunately it's a position we are relatively well covered for.
Not a great second half though, topped off by his part in their third goal.
First half was okay….
What I liked was when he did lose the ball, he recovered it really quickly.
Second half, less so
After slating him for the third goal and watching back he looked absolutely knackered and barely able to move during that period. Should have been subbed. Yes he’s had a couple of really bad moments but It really is time for people to back off the lad and give him some time as he looks really good at breaking up play, and just needs time to adapt.
Agree.
But I didn’t hear anyone on his back in the ground - this is a discussion forum.
I’m afraid this is the PL, ‘time to adapt’ is nice in theory, but you generally have to be at a certain level from the start. 90% of our signings are ready immediately, others take longer (or go out on loan) or never make the make the grade. Perhaps this is why Wieffer is not a regular starter, as he’s not hitting the right level in training.
Unfortunately, two howlers in successive games aren’t going to help. As I said elsewhere in this thread, I thought the crowd were great Saturday and actually Wednesday as well.
Jimmy Grimble
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Very hard to see how he is having a noticeably positive impact when he plays. Looks tidy in spells, but nothing like a £30 million pound player unfortunately.
Happy for someone to tell me I’m wrong, but ‘keeps us ticking over’ doesn’t count. The guy should be dominating in his area of the pitch.
Happy for someone to tell me I’m wrong, but ‘keeps us ticking over’ doesn’t count. The guy should be dominating in his area of the pitch.
Don’t like him as a player for us at all but thought he wasn’t terrible tonight . Nothing of note can pick out and actually noticed couple of positives
Formation let us down
GingerBeerMan
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Have we ever had a marquee signing from the Dutch league perform well? They come with such high expectations and end up being terrible.
He was okay tonight. In the right place when others screwed up giving turnover, kept possession and us ticking over. Unlike his CM team mates.
The least of our worries.
The least of our worries.
According to transfermarkt:
Minteh €35m
Wieffer €32m
Gruda €31.5m
Ferdi €30m
O’Reilly €29.5m
Early days. Only Ferdi has really shone, making his way back from injury O’Reilly against ManC? Don’t know why more would be expected of Wieffer.
NorthstandRacoon
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Why should our £30m midfielder dominate his area of the pitch when every week he is up against other £30m(++) midfielders? Iwobi cost £22m himself.
The price tag has no bearing, Groß cost £3m and was our best player in the PL era, and one of our best of all time. Locadia was £15m and one of our worst signings in the Amex era.
Everyone has good and great players, his fee was simply the mechanism to bring him into the squad - in terms of value we won’t win them all but we are massively in credit.
I think he did okay today and was actually one of our better performers on the night, in that he did his job fairly solidly.
oldboyroy
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Thought he did OK last night. A few had off days Dunk, JPVH Pervis Bart and even Baleba until he scored. We played well apart from suicidal mistakes which cost us. We've been fortunate to get points where we've not been good and last night we lost despite being notably the better side.
sussex_guy2k2
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He’s clearly not the least of our worries based on his start here.
Last night was his best performance, but he was still well below the required level. Time and time again they eased through our midfield like they weren’t there, often with Baleba being the only one trying to stop them.
Again, Weiffer was better on the ball, but he was also incredibly slow at times which was part of the reason we struggled to move up the pitch quickly enough - we had very few real chances despite dominating possession.
Now the shape wouldn’t have helped anyone, and MOR looked as lost as he did, if not more so, but let’s not pretend his performance was good, just because it was his best for us. It wasn’t - he was as below par as most of the rest of the team, and many of the issues we had stemmed from the his poor positioning and inability to move the ball forward with any pace.