And lives near the awful A21 as do I, I might be in. If I left now I might get to her home by December
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[Other Sport] *** 2024 Autumn Budget Official Thread ***
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KZNSeagull
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Yes. It was Darren Jones, Treasury Minister
Weststander
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Almost all the tax advantages went, compared now to say 2005. Osborne particularly targeted SME owners.
ROSM
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Not sure it can be changed easily. We won't again get the deal we had. That's the problem and I say this as someone who was vehemently anti brexit and is still very pro eu.
Reeves did mention it at the start of the budget speech but the 40m black hole is almost exactly what Osborne predicted brexit wod cost the uk
Is it a sleight of hand of sorts, and I absolutely don't mean any intent to deceive?
The things we tend to focus on are tax (including NI) in our pay packets and the VAT (including Fuel Duty) on the things we buy, and none of those have changed. As such, there's some undoubted feel-good factor, particularly when we were all braced for a right old hammering today.
But, beyond those headlines, tax is going up - it's just not quite as visible - and government borrowing is going to soar - and we all pay for that eventually.
(Again - no criticism implied - rebuilding the nation needs to be paid for)
- Apr 5, 2014
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I see at as a legacy of a nation that can no longer sustain the level of government services, not least because other nations have caught up as indeed was inevitable. The NHS is almost impossible to maintain at its current level, for example. Dem good old days are over and are being sustained, to get elected, by high borrowing by government after government.
It's the massive elephant in the room whilst everyone chooses to face the corner. No-one wants to say 'We just can't afford it anymore'
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Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Jo Swinson realised that Brexit was never going to work which is why as Lib Dem leader she campaigned for a Second Referendum in December 2019 and saw her political careers end abruptly and her party almost wiped out of existence. I think every party took note, and it is as if they've all met and agreed never to mention it again.
My personal view is that everything Brexit is off the political agenda until the 10th Anniversary of the Referendum in June 2026, at which point the debate will start up again. The Lib Dems and SNP will be the first to call for a review of Brexit, Tory and Labour will gauge the public's reaction AND IF Labour's growth plans are flatlining and the Lib Dems are gaining traction then I could see Labour being receptive to something like EFTA membership / Customs Union.
The next general election will be held in 2029, so 13 years after the Referendum and almost 10 years before we Brexited. Labour need to start planning now as to how they can present a Customs Union to the British people without it sounding like a reversal of Brexit. The problem is Starmer and Rayner have ruled stuff out happening in this parliament, which was incredibly naive as they didn't need to do that to win the 2024 election. That will come back to bite them on the arse in 2029.
Weststander
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And Putin/Ukraine/energy.
Man of Harveys
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Brexit is taboo because the fact that the bigoted and xenophobic views which drove it are so widespread is also a huge taboo. IMHO.
Hard to tackle that when the whole shitfest was driven by a huge percentage of the people who have just voted you in.
Otherwise: competent sensible administration is BACK. Love it. Feels weird. Feels good.
Hard to tackle that when the whole shitfest was driven by a huge percentage of the people who have just voted you in.
Otherwise: competent sensible administration is BACK. Love it. Feels weird. Feels good.
hart's shirt
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Agreed, but short-term hindrances and potentially inferior deals than before shouldn't dissuade Britain from making the right long-term decision.
Looking in, I'd say that Britain hasn't got the country now that it had pre-Brexit.
Even as a confirmed centrist, any party that explicitly pushed for Britain to rejoin the EU would get my vote on this single issue alone.
It continues to be that important, whether people and parties want to talk about it or not. As Pav said earlier, a conspiracy of silence. Shameful really.
It's envy.
ROSM
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With reform getting the votes they did and seeing what the electorate did to lib dems in 2019 it would have been a poor political (albeit right moral) position to take
nicko31
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SEN should be exempt to be fair
Such as 'please explain why the f*** we always back the Tories'
- Oct 20, 2022
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Well I am a lefty so speaking for myself and the other lefty cronies, I’ll stand by what I said
I think what @jcdenton08 and others mean it isn't flashy, gimmicky, partisan, bumptious and egregiously political, like the mountain of shit we had under Johnson and his desiccated pygmy successors.
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- Oct 17, 2008
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Exactly. All business.
So you were interviewed and didn't get the job? But they would have given you a job if the budget had been different?
Without wishing to cast nursturshams, that's easy for them to say.
