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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%

  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%

  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%
  • Total voters
    413
  • This poll will close: .


Pevenseagull

Pevenseagull

meh
Jul 20, 2003
20,654
Pavilionaire said:
Trump has been holding up Detroit - Michigan's biggest city - as an example of urban blight and decay, the sort of dystopian city that will become the norm in the USA if the Democrats are re-elected.

He's effectively calling it a shithole on a daily basis and half the state still look like voting for him.

Part of the reason it is so hard for me to get over Brexit is because how f*cked up the USA is. They used to be our natural allies, but they are the now country of Trump, guns, abortion and supporting Israel with impunity.
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people in Flint are going to vote for Trump.

Edit .... GOP. .... Jesus wept


absolutely insane


but were still being poisoned under BA.


shit storm of a country


This xxxx https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Snyder
 
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schmunk

schmunk

Why oh why oh why?
Jan 19, 2018
10,326
Mid mid mid Sussex
I caught the end of the Harris interview on Fox. I thought she did pretty well, although it did seem to be as much about Trump as her.

The post-interview discussion seems to be quite balanced too, given it's Fox.
 


Pevenseagull

Pevenseagull

meh
Jul 20, 2003
20,654
schmunk said:
I caught the end of the Harris interview on Fox. I thought she did pretty well, although it did seem to be as much about Trump as her.

The post-interview discussion seems to be quite balanced too, given it's Fox.
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Hmm

 
















Pevenseagull

Pevenseagull

meh
Jul 20, 2003
20,654
schmunk said:
Sure, but that's not at all what I was talking about. That clip's from before the interview was aired. :shrug:
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Yep.


Fox are going to present the footage in a fair and balanced way.

They will highlight her finest moments as proof that she is the best choice to take the USA forward for a better tomorrow.

I absolutely believe that that will be the case.
 


Crawley Dingo

Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
1,060
Bodian said:
They are most likely from generational families. If you took away the 44% of Democrats and 20% of Republicans - you'd be left with quite a small population. I'm not sure that's really what you want? Or is it?


Yes - see the point above. Dingo's issues seem to be with long-term generational influxes over many many decades, not recent immigration. Hence my question to them above. If it really is the case that Dingo thinks that 44% of Democrats and 20% of Republicans shouldn't be there because they are Hispanic, Black, Asian, or another race - then there's a word for that.....
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You are not getting this at all. If you have say 10 immigrants where 2 vote GOP and 4 vote DNC and in a generation say that flips to 6 of them GOP and 2 DNC then you have to keep increasing the first gen immigrants to maintain a DNC advantage. A Ponzi scheme.

Put it another way, new immigrants lean left because of more friendly faces and support they get. When they fully assimilate they don't need this as they are natives now and may object on taxes spent on new comers. Also they are more likely to retain the social conservatism they come with.

The only way the left can stop this is to prevent assimilation, divisive politics and flooding the country with immigrants. this election will be the death of democracy or the death of identity politics imo.
 


bhafc99

bhafc99

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2003
7,446
Dubai
Easy 10 said:
That was a Q&A at a town hall in Pennsylvania.
The music there went on non stop for 39 MINUTES with Trump shuffling around to it. I'm not kidding.
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Imagine if Biden was still running, and had done that. The double standards from the MAGA mob is breathtaking.
 




Zeberdi

Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
6,813
Crawley Dingo said:
You are not getting this at all. If you have say 10 immigrants where 2 vote GOP and 4 vote DNC and in a generation say that flips to 6 of them GOP and 2 DNC then you have to keep increasing the first gen immigrants to maintain a DNC advantage. A Ponzi scheme.
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No, you don’t - see comment below. You are building a Ponzi scheme of falsehoods to produce conspiracy theories.
Crawley Dingo said:
Put it another way, new immigrants lean left because of more friendly faces and support they get. When they fully assimilate they don't need this as they are natives now and may object on taxes spent on new comers. Also they are more likely to retain the social conservatism they come with.
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I’d like to see some voting data on the suggestion that immigrants feel they don’t ‘need’ democratic policies CD or swing significantly to the right:

Pew Research for example has second generation immigrants (ie the fully assimilated offspring of new/first gens) overwhelmingly aligned to democrats

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Crawley Dingo said:
The only way the left can stop this is to prevent assimilation, divisive politics and flooding the country with immigrants. this election will be the death of democracy or the death of identity politics imo.
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No - it is not. You are fabricating a solution to a conspiracy theory that the left are engaging in some form of social engineering to bolster electoral support.

The left stops immigrants swinging to the right (if they are indeed doing so in large numbers which is doubtful) by countering the lies promulgated by Trump that the economy and immigration is worse under Biden/Harris than it was or will be under a Trump Presidency.

Yes, the ‘death of democracy’ under Trump is a very real possibility.

An end to identity politics and a greater focus on one nation politics might not be a bad thing if Trump wins - identity politics has been weaponised by the right to be divisive, scapegoating and a justification to cast blame on immigration for all ills in society. Unless there are routes to equitable engagement and representation in political governance, identity politics turns into a tool for discrimination and exclusion. Project 2025’s policy of using the National Guard for mass deportation of immigrants and DACAs is where Trump stands on ‘identity politics’. We can do without that thank you.

www.pewresearch.org

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Explore the geographic distribution and demographics of America's major religious groups.
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Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
15,984
It's funny how Trump and co blame all of the immigrants for the crime problems, as if American citizens don't kill people with guns, supply drugs and rob people...
 


Zeberdi

Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
6,813
Greg Bobkin said:
It's funny how Trump and co blame all of the immigrants for the crime problems, as if American citizens don't kill people with guns, supply drugs and rob people...
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It’s a trope of the hard right/far right globally to blame immigrants for any ills in society, including crime, especially when resources are under pressure and it is increasingly a view spreading amongst the mainstream populace too - and not just in America. 🤷‍♂️
 




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Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
15,984
Zeberdi said:
It’s a trope of the hard right/far right globally to blame immigrants for any ills in society, including crime, especially when resources are under pressure and it is increasingly a view spreading amongst the mainstream populace too - and not just in America. 🤷‍♂️
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Exactly. And the mugs swallow it hook, line and sinker.
 
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nicko31

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,523
Gods country fortnightly
Bozza said:
Imagine the orange deranged one being able to talk like this - coherently, intelligently, logically and with passion.

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Remember folks without Murdoch's network Trump wouldn't have happened. Then, then hey almost dumped him after Jan 6 but instead bottled it for commercial reasons.
 
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nicko31

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,523
Gods country fortnightly
Greg Bobkin said:
It's funny how Trump and co blame all of the immigrants for the crime problems, as if American citizens don't kill people with guns, supply drugs and rob people...
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UK gun deaths per 100,000 0.013

USA 14.6..
 






Bakero

Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
14,868
Almería
Crawley Dingo said:
You are not getting this at all. If you have say 10 immigrants where 2 vote GOP and 4 vote DNC and in a generation say that flips to 6 of them GOP and 2 DNC then you have to keep increasing the first gen immigrants to maintain a DNC advantage. A Ponzi scheme.

Put it another way, new immigrants lean left because of more friendly faces and support they get. When they fully assimilate they don't need this as they are natives now and may object on taxes spent on new comers. Also they are more likely to retain the social conservatism they come with.

The only way the left can stop this is to prevent assimilation, divisive politics and flooding the country with immigrants. this election will be the death of democracy or the death of identity politics imo.
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Why do black Americans majorly lean to the Democrats? Many of them have been there multiple generations longer than any European, Hispanic or Asian immigrant.
 




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