[Politics] The Labour Government

Forster's Armband said:

I don't think they doing a good job so far (sadly) but.

They took away the heating allowance from people who can afford not to have it (for the most part), they need to make sure if some fall through the cracks they catch them.

They increased School fees for private school kids (my son goes to a private school and I am ok with it) the key thing is that the money raised goes to help start repairing our neglected and crumbling (literally) state school system.

They have to raise taxes somewhere to try and get the economy to grow. No one in this country ever wants taxes raised but we all want a better standard of living and a growing economy, better services, and low interest rates.

They've made gaffs as well and I do worry that they are just serving up more of the same old shit. My hope/feeling is that they will gradually be more and more radical and come the next election the country will be in a better place. At the moment it isn't great though.

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jcdenton08 said:

Ironically it was Truss who tried to do too much too soon for the Tories and was immediately ousted as an incompetent (albeit she was a lot, LOT worse)

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pocketseagull said:

Wasn't really a case of too much too soon, more that her dream budget that increased borrowing to fund tax cuts for the wealthy was batshit

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Marshy said:

They are a dead man walking already.

Going to push anyone with money out of the country. Which is not clever.

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jcdenton08 said:

Well yes, but doing it after a few weeks was particularly mental, was more my point. If only she’d focused more on those pork markets in Beijing.

My point remains. I think Labour have got in, had a whiff of vinegar and their knickers are around their ankles.

They need to shut up for a bit IMHO.

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BenGarfield said:

Let them go, we don’t want their undue influence on politics

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jcdenton08 said:

My view is that they’ve actually done a little too much too soon. To repeat the same mantra again, when the loony Tories were in government, I said I want “boring people in grey suits doing steady, boring work”.

After 100-odd days, they’ve managed to frighten businesses, cut WFA stone dead, have one MP resign, Sue Gray forced out, and bottomed out their popularity in opinion polls.

And all that before we’ve even had a budget.

I thought they’d come in, see the year out with slow, steady change and showing the country they can govern sanely, give a modest budget and get to work with things slowly and surely starting in Spring.

Ironically it was Truss who tried to do too much too soon for the Tories and was immediately ousted as an incompetent (albeit she was a lot, LOT worse)

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Peteinblack said:

After three months - whereas people were still sticking up for the Conservatives after 14 years of shithousery, you among them, I expect.

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BenGarfield said:

Alth

Although I despise her politics , Truss should have stood her ground and withstood the machinations of the City

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Forster's Armband said:

I don't think they doing a good job so far (sadly) but.

They took away the heating allowance from people who can afford not to have it (for the most part), they need to make sure if some fall through the cracks they catch them.

They increased School fees for private school kids (my son goes to a private school and I am ok with it) the key thing is that the money raised goes to help start repairing our neglected and crumbling (literally) state school system.

They have to raise taxes somewhere to try and get the economy to grow. No one in this country ever wants taxes raised but we all want a better standard of living and a growing economy, better services, and low interest rates.

They've made gaffs as well and I do worry that they are just serving up more of the same old shit. My hope/feeling is that they will gradually be more and more radical and come the next election the country will be in a better place. At the moment it isn't great though.

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jcdenton08 said:

My view is that they’ve actually done a little too much too soon. To repeat the same mantra again, when the loony Tories were in government, I said I want “boring people in grey suits doing steady, boring work”.

After 100-odd days, they’ve managed to frighten businesses, cut WFA stone dead, have one MP resign, Sue Gray forced out, and bottomed out their popularity in opinion polls.

And all that before we’ve even had a budget.

I thought they’d come in, see the year out with slow, steady change and showing the country they can govern sanely, give a modest budget and get to work with things slowly and surely starting in Spring.

Ironically it was Truss who tried to do too much too soon for the Tories and was immediately ousted as an incompetent (albeit she was a lot, LOT worse)

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Weststander said:

They are already.

These aren’t just ‘Brits’ with a lifetime of ties here. Europeans, Yanks etc who came to live in the UK from the Blair years onwards, often professionals or executives.

Italy and other countries are accepting non doms with open arms. Other folk with wealth reacting similarly.

The IFS have mentioned this as a real thing. Suggesting an exit tax charge.

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Machiavelli said:

Sue Gray wasn't cut out for staying in the role, so it's right that she's been moved on after helping with the transition into government.

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Machiavelli said:

Frighten business. Are you sure? Business seem to be relatively level-headed about what's in store, and might prefer the current lot to the prior incarnation when the PM put out the message to f%£k business.
The one MP that resigned is Rosie Duffield who won't be an MP in the next parliament, and likes to make a name for herself.
Sue Gray wasn't cut out for staying in the role, so it's right that she's been moved on after helping with the transition into government.
I suspect opinion polls will be all over the place for a while, especially vis-a-vis Labour.
And the budget will actually enable focus to train in on what this administration is going to do during the parliament, which will be a welcome shift from the phoney war we're in.
The last thing that they were going to do was to be slow: they've got an enormous task to turn around the steaming pile of mess they've inherited.

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Machiavelli said:

And the budget will actually enable focus to train in on what this administration is going to do during the parliament, which will be a welcome shift from the phoney war we're in.
The last thing that they were going to do was to be slow: they've got an enormous task to turn around the steaming pile of mess they've inherited.

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Bozza said:

That's quite a remarkable piece of writing.

It's remarkable because it claims to be "A roundup of the government’s work..." yet doesn't include the words "winter", "fuel" nor "payment".

It also doesn't include "pensioners frozen to death" but, in fairness, it's not got cold yet, so that will be for inclusion (or exclusion if you're putting together another puff piece) at the 200-day mark.

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Zeberdi said:

The article was (1) rounding up the major policy areas that had bills in the King’s Speech - and (2) it was not put together by me but by a Guardian journalist so the sarcastic and mocking response to my post is uncalled for really.
- I started a Labour Government thread initially for us all to objectively critique the first 100 days and the whole programme of Bills in this Parliamentary session but instead, some of us that voted Labour who have tried to engage with any such discussion have been repeatedly subject to ad hominem attacks with the agenda being dominated by a handful of people arguing about sleaze and the WFA for weeks now to the exclusion of just about anything else (despite no one actually agreeing with the latter‘s way of being implemented).

As such, I will back out again, I have absolutely no interest in getting embroiled in a polarised political argument especially with the owner of this fantastic site.

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Weststander said:

Obviously not directly on “staff” immediately. But then do employers, especially the many struggling eg in hospitality, throw in the towel, employ fewer staff and/or suppress later wage increases?

There’s no free tax lunch without consequences.

People shouldn’t see this in terms of Amazon or their own wealthy bosses. R4 said yesterday the UK restaurant business now is 20% lower than pre pandemic.

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Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:

Business needs clarity - Budget has taken FAR too long to happen.

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fly high said:

Massively increases costs for public services too, NHS, education, councils, civil service etc. That has all got to paid so where does the money come to pay that? Does it just come out of the private sector & into public sector or will it be a backdoor cut to public sector spending.

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