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armchairclubber

armchairclubber

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nicko31 said:
BAE, Rolls Royce....
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'Hundreds of university research grants went on projects with BAE Systems, an arms dealer which supplies Israel.'

www.declassifieduk.org

£1 billion subsidy for arms company exposed

Hundreds of university research grants went on projects with BAE Systems, an arms dealer which supplies Israel.
www.declassifieduk.org www.declassifieduk.org

www.declassifieduk.org

Did Israel bomb British doctors with UK-supplied weaponry?

UK arms firms have supplied parts for Israel’s F-16 jets, which bombed a British medical charity in Gaza.
www.declassifieduk.org www.declassifieduk.org
 






armchairclubber

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GingerBeerMan

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armchairclubber said:

Israel subjects northern Gaza to one of the most violent campaigns of its genocide; International intervention required.​


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Israel subjects northern Gaza to one of the most violent campaigns of its genocide; int’l intervention required [EN/AR] - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in Arabic on occupied Palestinian territory about Health and Protection and Human Rights; published on 8 Oct 2024 by Euro-Med Monitor
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Quite antisemitic to post this.
 












GingerBeerMan

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armchairclubber said:
Again, would you like to give some reasoning that might support your accusation?
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Sorry, it was a joke in bad taste to call someone antisemitic based on the ramifications that accusation could have on their life. But it was merely a jesting comment at those online who think any criticism of the Israel state is because they have a distain for the Jewish faith, rather than a distain for their military practices we are supporting as a nation.
 




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Sea Cider

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I used to have considerable sympathy for the situation of Israel, but the actions of their government over the last 12 months have eroded that. I can't help but feel they are only succeeding in building broad international condemnation and a generation of young people across neighbouring countries who will be traumatised and angry at them for the next 50 years.

I sincerely hope those responsible for any war crimes are brought to justice when this is all over.
 


armchairclubber

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GingerBeerMan said:
Sorry, it was a joke in bad taste to call someone antisemitic based on the ramifications that accusation could have on their life. But it was merely a jesting comment at those online who think any criticism of the Israel state is because they have a distain for the Jewish faith, rather than a distain for their military practices we are supporting as a nation.
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Thanks for clarifying.
It is genuinely hard to tell sometimes with the accusations that have been branded about, even on this thread.
 


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dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
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Sea Cider said:
I used to have considerable sympathy for the situation of Israel, but the actions of their government over the last 12 months have eroded that. I can't help but feel they are only succeeding in building broad international condemnation and a generation of young people across neighbouring countries who will be traumatised and angry at them for the next 50 years.

I sincerely hope those responsible for any war crimes are brought to justice when this is all over.
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The events of October last year suggest that the people in neighbouring countries were already angry with them.

I think the absence of outrage on October 8th in Gaza suggests that the people of Palestine already hated Israelis about as much as it is possible to hate. If, to take a parallel example, a government-sponsored army of Englishmen went over to Wales on a blitz of rape and murder like the Palestinians did, I suspect that there would be mass condemnation among the English people. The numbers who said they deserved it for being Welsh would be negligible.

Whether or not the Palestinians were right to wish death on all Israelis. is an issue that you can discuss. But I don't think there is much doubt that they already did before and after the military operation against the pop festival.

But look on the bright side - with goodwill, the anger need not last 50 years. Germany hosted both World Cup and Olympics within less than 30 years of WW2. With goodwill, wounds can be healed.
 




Flounce

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Just how many fronts can Israel fight on over time?

I have no solutions to what is going on, it’s very depressing as I don’t see how this ends without genocide one way or t’other :down:
 


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borat

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Jul 16, 2003
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dsr-burnley said:
The events of October last year suggest that the people in neighbouring countries were already angry with them.

I think the absence of outrage on October 8th in Gaza suggests that the people of Palestine already hated Israelis about as much as it is possible to hate. If, to take a parallel example, a government-sponsored army of Englishmen went over to Wales on a blitz of rape and murder like the Palestinians did, I suspect that there would be mass condemnation among the English people. The numbers who said they deserved it for being Welsh would be negligible.

Whether or not the Palestinians were right to wish death on all Israelis. is an issue that you can discuss. But I don't think there is much doubt that they already did before and after the military operation against the pop festival.

But look on the bright side - with goodwill, the anger need not last 50 years. Germany hosted both World Cup and Olympics within less than 30 years of WW2. With goodwill, wounds can be healed.
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It's not just the neighbouring countries that are waking up to the fact that Israel is a genocidal, Apartheid state.

Most of the world has opened its eyes to it but some of the key players i.e the US and UK refuse to acknowledge it.
 


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dsr-burnley

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borat said:
It's not just the neighbouring countries that are waking up to the fact that Israel is a genocidal, Apartheid state.

Most of the world has opened its eyes to it but some of the key players i.e the US and UK refuse to acknowledge it.
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Do you genuinely believe that Israel are doing their level best to wipe out the population of Gaza but simply don't have the means to do it?

Or is it just that you don't know what genocide means?
 


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borat

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Jul 16, 2003
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dsr-burnley said:
Do you genuinely believe that Israel are doing their level best to wipe out the population of Gaza but simply don't have the means to do it?

Or is it just that you don't know what genocide means?
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You clearly dont know the definition of genocide yourself which does not entail the death of every single individual.

Even if you want to debate the ongoing genocide, the various War crimes are not really in dispute.

Latest ones are IDF deliberately shooting Palestinian children in the head.

www.theguardian.com

‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza

IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


www.google.com

American Doctors Tell New York Times They Saw Pattern of Gaza Children Being Shot in Head: ‘Every Day I Was There’

American doctors polled by The New York Times revealed a disturbing trend they were witness to while working in Gaza: children being shot in the head.
www.google.com www.google.com
 




Westdene Seagull

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Oct 27, 2003
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I see the IDF has shot another UN peace keeper. Yet their answer is "UN peace keepers should leave". Along with shooting the press dead in Lebanon and banning the press from Gaza a cynic might suggest they are trying to cover up the murders they carry out i.e. shooting children in the head. No witnesses no proof. Murderous cvnts - hope they all burn in hell.
 


wellquickwoody

wellquickwoody

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dsr-burnley said:
Do you genuinely believe that Israel are doing their level best to wipe out the population of Gaza but simply don't have the means to do it?

Or is it just that you don't know what genocide means?
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The only thing stopping them having an ‘immediate solution’ is world condemnation. In the meantime they just keep on with the trickle effect.
 


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