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[Albion] New anti-VAR song released







jcdenton08

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Actually speaking about Martine McCutcheon, as we all were, she’s doing a new Lidl advert apparently. I can’t wait
 


Simster

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reclaim the game from VAR said:
The marginal offside calls are very far from black and white. The technology doesnt support that level of precision. More importantly,
those marginal calls are directly against the spirit of the game and disadvantage attacking play unfairly.

The key reason it has to go, (and will go, imv), is it undermines spontaneous celebration of a goal. And that cant be changed, its a feature, not a glitch,as they say. And that poisons the game.
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This is utter nonsense.

1) Of course an offside call is black and white. You are either offside or you're not, there is no half-offside. You can argue that the law is confusing but that is the fault of the law, not VAR. Just define it more reasonably.
2) And the technology does support the required level of precision but where it can't make the call for whatever reason, then stand with the referee's original view.
3) Marginal calls didn't just start with the invention of VAR. Have you forgotten all those close calls that were wrongly flagged offside that might have ended up in a goal scored? They used to happen nearly every game. And those goals that were marginally offside but play was wrongly allowed to continue leading to goals? They happened less often, but it's still an injustice that we were forced to accept.
4) Whining about undermining spontaneous celebrations is absolutely pitiful if the right decision can be reached quickly and easily. The clowns in Buckinghamshire seemed to make hard work of that, but this season definitely not so much.

You're completely wrong. It won't be going anywhere any time soon as long as adjustments and the necessary improvements continue to be made to the process.
 




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reclaim the game from VAR said:
The key reason it has to go, (and will go, imv), is it undermines spontaneous celebration of a goal. And that cant be changed, its a feature, not a glitch,as they say. And that poisons the game.
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I see this argument but it doesn't seem noticeable that people are celebrating any less. Sometimes it leads to disappointment and sometimes elation when an opponent goal gets ruled out.
 














jcdenton08

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And the other thing about Martine is that she is very cute in Love Actually
 














GT49er

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The sentiments are OK, but it's the wrong sort of song - needs to be something - like a catchy chorus - that can be bellowed out by tone deaf fans in the ground (I nearly said on the terraces, but of course where there are terraces there ain't no bloody VAR anyway!)
 


Badger

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reclaim the game from VAR said:
The key reason it has to go, (and will go, imv), is it undermines spontaneous celebration of a goal. And that cant be changed, its a feature, not a glitch,as they say. And that poisons the game.
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I was at the match on Sunday and I don't recall not spontaneously celebrating all three of our goals. In fact, with VAR, you often get to celebrate the goal twice - once when it goes in and once when the check is over.
 


GrizzlingGammon

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GT49er said:
The sentiments are OK, but it's the wrong sort of song - needs to be something - like a catchy chorus - that can be bellowed out by tone deaf fans in the ground (I nearly said on the terraces, but of course where there are terraces there ain't no bloody VAR anyway!)
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So, you're saying, if @reclaim the game from VAR changed the lyrics to something better and changed the tune to something catchy, they could be on to a winner.
 


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reclaim the game from VAR

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Simster said:
This is utter nonsense.

1) Of course an offside call is black and white. You are either offside or you're not, there is no half-offside. You can argue that the law is confusing but that is the fault of the law, not VAR. Just define it more reasonably.
2) And the technology does support the required level of precision but where it can't make the call for whatever reason, then stand with the referee's original view.
3) Marginal calls didn't just start with the invention of VAR. Have you forgotten all those close calls that were wrongly flagged offside that might have ended up in a goal scored? They used to happen nearly every game. And those goals that were marginally offside but play was wrongly allowed to continue leading to goals? They happened less often, but it's still an injustice that we were forced to accept.
4) Whining about undermining spontaneous celebrations is absolutely pitiful if the right decision can be reached quickly and easily. The clowns in Buckinghamshire seemed to make hard work of that, but this season definitely not so much.

You're completely wrong. It won't be going anywhere any time soon as long as adjustments and the necessary improvements continue to be made to the process.
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You're obviously a VAR fundamentalist,, which makes you unable to recognise how much damage VAR is doing to the live experience of seeing a game. Damage that even the Premier league themselves acknowledge.

And that's ok. Its inevitable that fans will see and experience VAR differently, according to mindset or temperament or whatever. Surveys tend to show a large majority against VAR because of how it affects the game in various ways. But that doesnt mean one view or the other is "correct".

But with offside calls, there is a need to recognise that they are quite far from being black and white, as you term it. Depending on the speed of the
attacker running forward there can be anything from a 1-8 inch margin of error. With several moving variables in many offside calls, there has always been a subjective element in decisions. Linesmen generally applied a benefit of the doubt to the attacker principle, to ensure that attacking play was not being unduly disadvantaged. It was far from perfect, as you suggest, but worked as a frame of reference for the game. Ultra-marginal calls tend to unduly favour the defender and, at their worst, punish very well-timed and skilful play by the attacking team. Again, one can choose either side of the debate.

You want the security of certainty, and it just aint there.
 






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reclaim the game from VAR

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Seagull27 said:
Not sure I would've used Maradona's hand of god - one of the most famous injustices in football history - as evidence that VAR should be scrapped.

Also Geoff Hurst's goal that wasn't. Although that would have been ruled out by goal line technology these days anyway.
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But those two goals are some of the most iconic ever in the history of football.

Imperfections make history. VAR's search for perfection just ends up causing other problems, other injustices.
 


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