Yep, but manouvers over the A27 were not excluded. I would suggest that every single aerobatic display ever performed at Shoreham included manouvers over the road. Again, I'm not saying Hill isn't, in many ways, culpable but the CAA and display organisers have to take their share of the blame.There is plenty of space around the airport. It's on a river valley.
My word, that's some cheek he's got. You would have thought he'd have quietly moved away somewhere by now.Shoreham Airshow disaster pilot to ask for flying licence back today
The pilot involved in the Shoreham Airshow disaster is appearing in front of a panel to request the reinstatement of his flying licence.www.theargus.co.uk
Exactly.My word, that's some cheek he's got. You would have thought he'd have quietly moved away somewhere by now.
The type of person who had been flying most of their life?Exactly.
Whether he was liable or not, what sort of person would want to fly again after that disaster?
Manoeuvres over the A27 are one thing ( flying across the width of the road ) but he used the length of the road as the marker for that particular roll . Flying across the A27 gives plenty of time to clear the busy road if there should be a problem , forward inertia alone would clear the danger area , but to perform the entire manoeuvre over the length of the road is highly dangerous and bloody irresponsible , but hey never mind after all he was always guaranteed safety by his ejector seat . The only flying this POS should be doing is with the propulsion of someone`s toe up his afterburner .Yep, but manouvers over the A27 were not excluded. I would suggest that every single aerobatic display ever performed at Shoreham included manouvers over the road. Again, I'm not saying Hill isn't, in many ways, culpable but the CAA and display organisers have to take their share of the blame.
I've witness 3 accidents at Shoreham, only 1 resulted in non pilot casualties but were all, in some ways, a result of pilot error.
It sounds like (emphasis on sounds like) you’re trying to justify this.The type of person who had been flying most of their life?
Okay. Perhaps I’d WANT to fly again. I can’t see how I would though. With that on my conscience.The type of person who had been flying most of their life?
Personally, if I caused the deaths of 11 people I wouldn't ever want to do it again. But then I've never been a pilot.
The inquest verdict was unlawful killing mind. Despite the not guilty verdict. It would be better if he quietly faded away and showed a conscience. I would be shocked if his license was approved.Exactly.
Whether he was liable or not, what sort of person would want to fly again after that disaster?
I'm guessing it would be nigh on impossible to have an aerobatic display that was entirely over the confines of the aerodrome (or most aerodromes for that matter). Even a relatively low flypast along the length of the runway will involve crossing above the road or flying over some residential properties. Hill was too slow and too low to start the manoeuvre but it was still incredibly bad coincidence that the point of impact was as the aircraft crossed the road. 20ft higher and the crash would not have affected anyone on the A27.Yep, but manouvers over the A27 were not excluded. I would suggest that every single aerobatic display ever performed at Shoreham included manouvers over the road. Again, I'm not saying Hill isn't, in many ways, culpable but the CAA and display organisers have to take their share of the blame.
I've witness 3 accidents at Shoreham, only 1 resulted in non pilot casualties but were all, in some ways, a result of pilot error.
The kind of person who show's off in public and kills people.Exactly.
Whether he was liable or not, what sort of person would want to fly again after that disaster?
Crikey mate, awful lot of error in your comment.Manoeuvres over the A27 are one thing ( flying across the width of the road ) but he used the length of the road as the marker for that particular roll . Flying across the A27 gives plenty of time to clear the busy road if there should be a problem , forward inertia alone would clear the danger area , but to perform the entire manoeuvre over the length of the road is highly dangerous and bloody irresponsible , but hey never mind after all he was always guaranteed safety by his ejector seat . The only flying this POS should be doing is with the propulsion of someone`s toe up his afterburner .
I don`t know or care why you see fit to defend this person i just know his incompetence and lack of the necessary ability to fly this plane safely caused the DEATH of 11 very precious lives to a lot of people .Crikey mate, awful lot of error in your comment.
1/ The flight path was not along the length of the road - AAIB report states "The manoeuvre was continued and the aircraft struck the ground on the northern side of the westbound carriageway of the A27 close to the central reservation with a ground track at a slight angle to the direction of the road." Additionally, the AAIB report states: "A change of ground track during the manoeuvre positioned the aircraft further east than planned producing an exit track along the A27 dual carriageway." [he didn't "plan" to be above the road]
2/ The manoeuvre was not a "roll", it is described as a "bent loop".
3/ "Flying across the A27 gives plenty of time to clear the busy road if there should be a problem" - Time was not the issue, AAIB report states "The aircraft did not achieve sufficient height at the apex of the accident manoeuvre to complete it before impacting the ground because the combination of low entry speed and low engine thrust in the upward half of the manoeuvre was insufficient." The AAIB report adds: "an escape manoeuvre was not carried out, despite the aircraft not achieving the required minimum apex height."
4/ "he was always guaranteed safety by his ejector seat" - whilst the ejector seat was active in this aircraft the AAIB report states: "The pilot did not attempt to jettison the aircraft’s canopy or activate his ejection seat. However, disruption of the aircraft due to the impact activated the canopy jettison process and caused the ejection seat firing mechanism to initiate. The seat firing sequence was not completed due to damage sustained by its firing mechanism during the impact. The seat was released from the aircraft and the pilot was released from the seat as a result of partial operation of the sequencing mechanism. Some of the pyrotechnic cartridges remained live and were a hazard to first responders until they were made safe." On 21 December 2015, the AAIB published 7 recommendations, specifically with the safety of first responders to the accident scene.
5/ I know your last bit about an "afterburner" was not referring to the aircraft. But just for completeness the Hawker Hunter T7 G-BXFI was fitted with a Rolls-Royce Avon-122 turbojet engine and the version fitted to G-BXFI did not have "re-heat" aka afterburner.
Factoid - Hawker Hunters were still in active service with 19 air forces including with the Lebanese Airforce (retired in 2014)
The full AAIB report is 452 pages but there is a shorter GOV.UK summary here which also includes an informative visual animation.
If Andy Hill (claimed to have) suffered "cognitive impairment" 9 years ago, what's happened to suggest he won't have the same happen again - lifetime ban on flying would be my decision.
Forgive me if I have, but where have I defended Andy Hill?I don`t know or care why you see fit to defend this person i just know his incompetence and lack of the necessary ability to fly this plane safely caused the DEATH of 11 very precious lives to a lot of people .
These men were affiliated in one way or another with OUR club , 2 worked at Lancing , i know a little about the Hunter such as it was the only fighter of it`s time to reputedly successfully escape from an inverted spin ( in the late 50`s ) so why 65 years later would a " professional " pilot put an airframe that old through anything other than a respectful (to the aircraft ) fly by .
My knowledge on jet fighters is no more than any other person with an amateur interest , yours is probably far more than mine but apparently not enough to see that my (afterburner) comment was a polite way to say that i dislike this horrible little man intensely and am utterly amazed at his sheer nerve and utter gall .
Knowing the craziness of this country he may well get his licence back - Question - would you allow a loved one to fly with him ? .