[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

fly high · Sep 23, 2024

borat said:
I know I posted this before but still seeking an answer. Can anyone explain why it appears (Happy to be corrected) that no main stream newspaper is picking this up

£4 million from Cayman? That will do nicely, thank you

As Open Democracy has revealed: The Labour Party’s largest-ever donation came from a Cayman Islands-registered hedge fund with shares worth hundreds of millions of pounds in fossil fuels, private health firms, arms manufacturers and asset managers. While the £4m donation by Quadrature Capital...

www.taxresearch.org.uk

Once again Labour doing what they would roundly condemn the Tories for doing.

Not Andy Naylor · Sep 23, 2024

Nobody can disappoint you quite like the Labour Party.

Chicken Run · Sep 23, 2024

Bozza said:
Agreed.

I do wonder how many at Conference would be prepared to hold their noses and vote in favour of the policy as it stands, in an attempt to display a united front.

It's a fascinating dynamic.

If only they hadn’t sniped in opposition eh, as Blair said in his memoir’s, in opposition they spent too much time worrying about the Government eating itself up rather than planning what to do to ensure they didn’t

Herr Tubthumper · Sep 23, 2024

borat said:
I know I posted this before but still seeking an answer. Can anyone explain why it appears (Happy to be corrected) that no main stream newspaper is picking this up

£4 million from Cayman? That will do nicely, thank you

As Open Democracy has revealed: The Labour Party’s largest-ever donation came from a Cayman Islands-registered hedge fund with shares worth hundreds of millions of pounds in fossil fuels, private health firms, arms manufacturers and asset managers. While the £4m donation by Quadrature Capital...

www.taxresearch.org.uk

I presume because there’s no evidence to suggest this happened? After all, the link you’ve posted is just a random blog which makes a claim with nothing to back it up.

I’m sure, at the very least, Private Eye will be onto this if there’s something to it, have you checked there?

KZNSeagull · Sep 23, 2024

Nurses reject 5.5% pay rise.

Nurses in England reject offer of 5.5% pay rise

Nurses are determined to “stand up for themselves”, the head of the Royal College of Nursing says.

www.bbc.co.uk

borat · Sep 23, 2024

Herr Tubthumper said:
I presume because there’s no evidence to suggest this happened? After all, the link you’ve posted is just a random blog which makes a claim with nothing to back it up.

I’m sure, at the very least, Private Eye will be onto this if there’s something to it, have you checked there?

Here you go

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-given-4m-from-tax-haven-based-hedge-fund-with-shares-in-oil-and-arms/

Why should anyone have to check a niche publication like Private Eye for such a story. It should be covered across all ''major publications''

cunning fergus · Sep 23, 2024

chip said:
It's a no win if they have this vote. If they lose then the parlimentary party isn't representing its members and if they win the message is the party has decided that certain pensiores are expendable.

You keep coming back to the lack of political radar here don’t you? Economically speaking the WFA is a 1.5bn issue, is a trifle and it’s certainly not going to fill a £22bn black hole if one exists. I see the FT did an FOI request on the numbers but that got knocked back. If there is no black hole or one not as bad as referenced this policy decision is going to look even worse than it does now. Worse still their political capital with the public will be zero.

The previous lot lost the trust of the public broadly speaking over their tenure in Government by promising to sort out immigration. This lot promised the public orderly Government and the restoration of trust in the institutions of Government yet that is looking iffy in just 3 months.

Once politicians are the object of derision by the public they are finished, this lot are doing in en masse.

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Sep 23, 2024

Nurses in England reject offer of 5.5% pay rise

Nurses are determined to “stand up for themselves”, the head of the Royal College of Nursing says.

www.bbc.co.uk

chip · Sep 23, 2024

cunning fergus said:
You keep coming back to the lack of political radar here don’t you? Economically speaking the WFA is a 1.5bn issue, is a trifle and it’s certainly not going to fill a £22bn black hole if one exists. I see the FT did an FOI request on the numbers but that got knocked back. If there is no black hole or one not as bad as referenced this policy decision is going to look even worse than it does now. Worse still their political capital with the public will be zero.

The previous lot lost the trust of the public broadly speaking over their tenure in Government by promising to sort out immigration. This lot promised the public orderly Government and the restoration of trust in the institutions of Government yet that is looking iffy in just 3 months.

Once politicians are the object of derision by the public they are finished, this lot are doing in en masse.

Yes, I do. I don't think it is a political radar that is needed, the gaffes could have been avoided by most ordinary people. I think the conservatives normalised what most think of entitled, unacceptable and seemingly unaccountable behaviour. I agree with you after the last lot I stupidly hoped for better. I didn't expect them to be better a doing simple things badly.

With a £68K a year photographer for the DPM, at least the pictures will look better despite the subject matter.

armchairclubber · Sep 23, 2024

borat said:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-given-4m-from-tax-haven-based-hedge-fund-with-shares-in-oil-and-arms/

Why should anyone have to check a niche publication like Private Eye for such a story. It should be covered across all ''major publications''

Furthermore Labour are not always accommodating with accredited journalists who may like to investigate things a little deeper.

Labour bars investigative journalist from party conference

The Labour Party has refused to grant investigative media outlet Declassified UK access to its annual conference.

www.declassifieduk.org

amexer · Sep 23, 2024

KZNSeagull said:
Nurses reject 5.5% pay rise.

Nurses in England reject offer of 5.5% pay rise

Nurses are determined to “stand up for themselves”, the head of the Royal College of Nursing says.

www.bbc.co.uk

I am sure they are now aware they will get what ever they ask for

Nobby Cybergoat · Sep 23, 2024

borat said:
I know I posted this before but still seeking an answer. Can anyone explain why it appears (Happy to be corrected) that no main stream newspaper is picking this up

£4 million from Cayman? That will do nicely, thank you

As Open Democracy has revealed: The Labour Party’s largest-ever donation came from a Cayman Islands-registered hedge fund with shares worth hundreds of millions of pounds in fossil fuels, private health firms, arms manufacturers and asset managers. While the £4m donation by Quadrature Capital...

www.taxresearch.org.uk

It has to be one of two things.

1) There is a conspiracy amongst all print and TV news outlets, including GB News, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph not to print anything which could hurt the Labour Party

2) It isn't true

fly high · Sep 23, 2024

KZNSeagull said:
Nurses reject 5.5% pay rise.

Nurses in England reject offer of 5.5% pay rise

Nurses are determined to “stand up for themselves”, the head of the Royal College of Nursing says.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is no surprise after the rise JDs got & have already said they want another big rise. Consultants will be back for more as will other NHS staff especially HCAs who when I've been in hospitals seem to be the ones doing most of the actual hands on care work.

armchairclubber · Sep 23, 2024

Nobby Cybergoat said:
It has to be one of two things.

1) There is a conspiracy amongst all print and TV news outlets, including GB News, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph not to print anything which could hurt the Labour Party

2) It isn't true

Assuming there are only your 2 given options, which one would you go for ?

pocketseagull · Sep 23, 2024

Nobby Cybergoat said:
It has to be one of two things.

1) There is a conspiracy amongst all print and TV news outlets, including GB News, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph not to print anything which could hurt the Labour Party

2) It isn't true

Thought this looked interesting so had a google and it's on their website

Quadrature

We’re building the Ultimate Automated Trading Business...

quadrature.ai

In May 2024..we donated £4m to The Labour Party... Quadrature Capital Limited is the UK-based investment manager for the Quadrature Group’s fund entities, which are based in the Cayman Islands. The establishment of funds in the Cayman Islands is very common for trading firms with investors based across multiple jurisdictions, and has a number of regulatory advantages.

Also

Climate groups accept millions from charity linked to fossil fuel investments

Exclusive: Quadrature Climate Foundation is run by billionaires whose fund has stakes worth $170m in fossil fuel firms

www.theguardian.com

beorhthelm · Sep 23, 2024

Nobby Cybergoat said:
It has to be one of two things.

1) There is a conspiracy amongst all print and TV news outlets, including GB News, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph not to print anything which could hurt the Labour Party

2) It isn't true

or, 3) lazy journo's dont look into much these days, until someone starts making a fuss. then they'll be all over it like proverbial flys.
it's odd this story flares up now, with only references in the past few days, now Robert Peston on it... just as we have Labour party's conference.

nevergoagain · Sep 23, 2024

Nobby Cybergoat said:
It has to be one of two things.

1) There is a conspiracy amongst all print and TV news outlets, including GB News, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph not to print anything which could hurt the Labour Party

2) It isn't true

What's the 3rd Option ?

Curious Orange · Sep 23, 2024

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
Nurses in England reject offer of 5.5% pay rise

Nurses are determined to “stand up for themselves”, the head of the Royal College of Nursing says.

www.bbc.co.uk

20% will sort them out

Herr Tubthumper · Sep 23, 2024

borat said:
Here you go

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-given-4m-from-tax-haven-based-hedge-fund-with-shares-in-oil-and-arms/

Why should anyone have to check a niche publication like Private Eye for such a story. It should be covered across all ''major publications''

You asked why it is not in any main stream publications....I suggested a reason. My point about Private Eye is that they usually pick up on things.

Bozza · Sep 23, 2024

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