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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Oct 17, 2008
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Are you implying there is something sinister about the extremely high rate of deaths of critics of the regime from falling-out-of-skyscraper-window-accidents?!
Flounce
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- Nov 15, 2006
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Russia was being run by Gorbachev not a megalomaniac when they withdrew from Afghanistan in fairness. Putin will never back down on Ukraine imo, dead man walking if he does.
Agreed, it's a huge difference.
For Putin it's personal and likely existential.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Deleted - can't display the video of Toropets
Scappa
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- Jul 5, 2017
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Thank you ! How did you do that? It stopped working for me after I posted it.
Anyway, if you pause at around 00:40, you can just see the angel of Toropets.
Scappa
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- Jul 5, 2017
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Click share under the video, copy the link and paste directly into the post field. No need for extensions or code - the forum software automatically knows what to do
eg (without the spaces)
https:// youtu.be/ HwLG22ANba0?si=E-nX0KWKfbnxUfay
Russian Official in Talking Utter Toss shocker
"Krasnodar Governor Veniamin Kondratyev reported that two UAVs targeting Tikhoretsk were "suppressed", with debris causing a fire and detonation of flammable materials."
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Like many things in Russia lately, this Wagner PMC base in Molkino, Krasnodar is on fire:
So many things are burning that, even if Ukraine disables all of Russia's energy infrastructure, those pesky Russians will still be toasty this winter.
Actually...I gave a thumbs up without fully understanding your meaning. Now I get it
excellent 
As someone else has stated, the USSR withdrew from Afghanistan mainly because of the pressure from the mothers and families of the conscripts being slaughtered there. And that reinforces what I’ve always thought: the driver of the end of the war lies within Russia, not on the battlefields in Ukraine. I just can’t believe that the propaganda will overpower a growing discontent with the returning body-bags. It’ll take time, but that’s where the “culmination” ( in military terms) lies.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Russia doesn't do body-bags. It does mobile incinerators instead. We learned this early on in the war.
Body-bags are too costly, a real pain to repatriate and awkward to explain to the Russian masses. Far too dangerous. Besides, a body costs the state compensation and death benefits to the family. Much better to burn the evidence so that the unfortunates are 'missing in action'.
Welcome to Russia.
I think the Russian dead will be a mix of:
- those returning in body bags
- those returning critically injured who then die in hospital
- those that went through the mobile incinerators (possibly not yet/ ever confirmed dead)
- those lying on the battle field
According to the BBC article many of the dead are identified within Russia, and I'm sure many more deaths are (currently) hidden.
Still plenty of numbers for wives and mothers to get stuck into if they wish.
Here's an extract from the article I posted earlier.
"More than 70,000 people fighting in Russia’s military have now died in Ukraine, according to data analysed by the BBC.
And for the first time, volunteers - civilians who joined the armed forces after the start of the war - now make up the highest number of people killed on the battlefield since Russia’s full-scale invasion began in 2022.
Every day, the names of those killed in Ukraine, their obituaries and photographs from their funerals are published across Russia in the media and on social networks.
BBC Russian and the independent website Mediazona have collated these names, along with names from other open sources, including official reports.
We checked that the information had been shared by authorities or relatives of the deceased - and that they had been identified as dying in the war.
New graves in cemeteries have also helped provide the names of soldiers killed in Ukraine - these are usually marked by flags and wreaths sent by the defence ministry.
We have identified the names of 70,112 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine, but the actual number is believed to be considerably higher. Some families do not share details of their relatives’ deaths publicly - and our analysis does not include names we were unable to check, or the deaths of militia in Russian-occupied Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine."
- those returning in body bags
- those returning critically injured who then die in hospital
- those that went through the mobile incinerators (possibly not yet/ ever confirmed dead)
- those lying on the battle field
According to the BBC article many of the dead are identified within Russia, and I'm sure many more deaths are (currently) hidden.
Still plenty of numbers for wives and mothers to get stuck into if they wish.
Here's an extract from the article I posted earlier.
"More than 70,000 people fighting in Russia’s military have now died in Ukraine, according to data analysed by the BBC.
And for the first time, volunteers - civilians who joined the armed forces after the start of the war - now make up the highest number of people killed on the battlefield since Russia’s full-scale invasion began in 2022.
Every day, the names of those killed in Ukraine, their obituaries and photographs from their funerals are published across Russia in the media and on social networks.
BBC Russian and the independent website Mediazona have collated these names, along with names from other open sources, including official reports.
We checked that the information had been shared by authorities or relatives of the deceased - and that they had been identified as dying in the war.
New graves in cemeteries have also helped provide the names of soldiers killed in Ukraine - these are usually marked by flags and wreaths sent by the defence ministry.
We have identified the names of 70,112 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine, but the actual number is believed to be considerably higher. Some families do not share details of their relatives’ deaths publicly - and our analysis does not include names we were unable to check, or the deaths of militia in Russian-occupied Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine."
- Aug 24, 2020
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I'm suitably admonished !
NahI'm suitably admonished !
....if a proportion of dead don't go through the mobile incinerator on the battle field, then we know they and their relatives all continue to go through the social incinerator in mother Russia.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Yeah, if loved ones don’t come home, what are they gonna do about it? Oh, let’s go and complain to that friendly soldier with the rifle, I’m sure that’ll end up going well
- Aug 24, 2020
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No need to do that. Just join our friendly state-sponsored grieving mothers and wives club. We will give you tea, sympathy, and hold your hand as you peacefully pass away.
The good thing is, and I might be wrong on this, but the SAS and SBS (and other euro SFs) are probably playing a
huge part in searching out and then sending back co-ordinates etc of these sites (just as they did in the Gulf War).
And those blokes can move around and lie low under your f*cking feet and you wouldn't have a clue
they were there. No way in a million years that those f*ckwit, backward russian army pricks have anything like that
capability or be able to detect, because they are morons.
huge part in searching out and then sending back co-ordinates etc of these sites (just as they did in the Gulf War).
And those blokes can move around and lie low under your f*cking feet and you wouldn't have a clue
they were there. No way in a million years that those f*ckwit, backward russian army pricks have anything like that
capability or be able to detect, because they are morons.
crookie
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Personally I very much doubt NATO Special forces are in Russia. The political fallout from capture would be too much of a risk. Satellites and drones can easily identify potential targets for strikes