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HellBilly
Feb 23, 2009
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Brighton factually.....
Seagull58 said:
I cannot understand how firing hundreds of rockets into Israel daily, indiscriminately hitting civilian infrastructure, can be a preventative measure. Have I misunderstood your point?
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Forgive me if I have this wrong.
1: As I understand it Israel and Lebanon have been at odds for decades.
2: There have been long standing border issues with Israeli settlers ousting locals, more than 200,000 displaced.
3: They are obviously a terrorist group involved and have been firing rockets in support of the Palestinian brothers as they see them ever since the start of the this whole thing.
4: I think (something I should not do) they are firing rockets in support and as a measure for them to say, Israel we will not let you take anymore of our land, and you will not do to us what Israel have done to the Palestinians by murdering and displacing thousands.

For every action there is a reaction.
 




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rippleman

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Oct 18, 2011
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Seagull58 said:
Yes, of course, as we've seen in South Africa, Angola, Mozambique, Nicaragua etc., but, imo, this was most definitely not a terrorist attack. It was a targeted operation to disrupt and immobilise Hezbollah's organisational structure. It is not comparable to the rockets Hezbollah fires indiscriminately into Israel every day.
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Then they cocked it up. Two children dead and many others injured. Unless you are happy to accept another couple of dead children as "collateral damage" to go along with the thousands already killed, maimed, injured and displaced by the extreme rightwing government of the State of Israel?
 


Seagull58

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
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Vilamoura, Portugal
pocketseagull said:
Do you think it would be acceptable for IDF to be targeted the same way with 1000s of civilians injured and children killed in Tel Aviv?
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Where have 1000s of civilians been injured in this attack? What we know about it is that nearly 3000 pagers distributed and used by Hezbollah for their organisational communications have been blown up, with around 2,800 total casualties.
 




Superphil

Superphil

Dismember
Jul 7, 2003
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In a pile of football shirts
de la zouch said:
No one is celebrating a child’s death
Hezbollah has fired 8000 rockets into Israel in the last year including one that killed many children playing football (where were your tears then) so they are at war. This war has the lowest rate of civilian deaths of any modern war.
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How many civilian deaths in Gaza?
 




aolstudios

aolstudios

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Nov 30, 2011
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brighton
beorhthelm said:
if Hezbollah attacks a barracks or police station in Israel, is that ok then and not terrorism, because its targetted?

maybe i'm the odd one, in my eyes, deliberatly maiming targets just isn't how you go about immobilising an adversary.
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What on earth do you think we did to the Germans in ww2? Sang them lullabies?
 




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Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
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chip said:
The Quakers did, and got the Nobel Peace Prize for it. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1947/ceremony-speech/
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I didn't know that but weren't the Quakers also conscientious objectors so clearly stood up against any violence /war rather than just bombing of civilians.

I wonder how many on here are conscientious objectors and indeed what would have happened had the majority of the population had been Quakers in 1939.
 




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HellBilly
Feb 23, 2009
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Brighton factually.....
Seagull58 said:
Where have 1000s of civilians been injured in this attack? What we know about it is that nearly 3000 pagers distributed and used by Hezbollah for their organisational communications have been blown up, with around 2,800 total casualties.
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you have not answered my previous question, do you think 430000 dead, thousands maimed and displaced is an acceptable response to the original atrocity by Hamas ?
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
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aolstudios said:
What on earth do you think we did to the Germans in ww2? Sang them lullabies?
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while following some rules of war accepted at the time, we did a lot of things we dont find acceptable today. maybe at least try to address the question without resorting to whataboutery.
 


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pocketseagull

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Dec 29, 2014
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Seagull58 said:
Where have 1000s of civilians been injured in this attack? What we know about it is that nearly 3000 pagers distributed and used by Hezbollah for their organisational communications have been blown up, with around 2,800 total casualties.
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My error, the amount of civilian injuries is unknown, although we do know for certain two children were killed.

Do you think it an acceptable tactic to be used against the IDF in Tel Aviv?
 




Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
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It is incredible that it seems beyond the capabilities of mankind to agree a peaceful co-existence between two groups of people living in an area smaller than the size of Belgium.

I have been to Israel twice, - in the 90s - but the place is too dangerous now. Even then, on the day I arrived a bus had blown up on the Jaffa Road near the bus station that morning killing 26 and injuring 48.

It was very eerie given we had to walk past that very spot spot to reach our hotel. Who knows what might have happened had we arrived in the city a few hours earlier?

The nub of the issue is that Jews consider the land of Israel - including Gaza and the West Bank - to be given to them by God, and therefore, giving land away to the Arabs is an affront to God.

The enshrinement of rights in something deemed sacred is a tough one to overcome, and if the Yanks can't sort the right to bear arms that still plagues their country then they sure as hell won't sort the Arab / Israeli conflict.
 




SeagullinExile

SeagullinExile

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Sep 10, 2010
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London
Seagull58 said:
It was a precisely targeted attack on the Hezbolla organisational structure, designed to disrupt and immobilise it.
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Which killed children. Defend it as much as you want. It’s terrorism, nothing less.
 






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Shaktarman

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Sep 19, 2022
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Why do people these days feel the need to ‘defend’ sick acts? There should be no sides taken by anyone in the UK other than to feel sick at all the acts of murder happening from all sides in all wars. It should never be a place for point scoring over who did what when - everyone is wrong in my opinion. End of.
 




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HellBilly
Feb 23, 2009
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Brighton factually.....
Seagull58 said:
Presumably because they were in the immediate vicinity of the Hezbollah operatives who were in possession of the pagers.
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Actually when you say Hezbollah operative, you do realise that some folks will be coerced into doing things like lookouts, storage etc because of where they live or job and not necessarily be a member or supporter of Hezbollah don't you !
 






aolstudios

aolstudios

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Nov 30, 2011
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brighton
beorhthelm said:
while following some rules of war accepted at the time, we did a lot of things we dont find acceptable today. maybe at least try to address the question without resorting to whataboutery.
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That's not whataboutery.
I'm highlighting that there doesn't seem to be any means that Jews are allowed to defend themselves against a foe whose stated aim is to kill them all.
This is defence against a war of annihilation. On several fronts. Maiming your enemy's combatants is kind of normal in war.
But unacceptable for Jews, evidently
 


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