KZNSeagull
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We don't but something like this should be a catalyst to implement real change for all.
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[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......
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Is it PotG?
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This disregard and flippant attitude towards the loss of human life due to this act is a significant indicator of the Totalitarianistic route we seem to be embarking upon.
Is it PotG?
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Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Not going to respond to the 120,000 excess deaths from Austerity post?
Many of those actually happened.
You're talking about a theoretical 4000 for political posturing.
Not a good look.
Yes, of course, our off spring are the future and one hopes that their lives will be happy and fulfilling, but that is no reason to take away a benefit from the vulnerable elderly to whom £300 is far more important to them than to you and I.
The reason that this issue is dominating the headlines is surely obvious to anyone with any interest in politics. Blimey, if the Albion had scored an own goal like this, there would be serious calls for the whole team and coaching staff to be fined 6 months wages!
But if you're young now and growing up on a Council Estate like @Is it PotG? and you have dreams of bettering yourself, you're going to have to start with a massive student loan to pay 9k a year tuition fees instead of a full grant or a £6.40 an hour apprenticeship, all to set you on the road to an average house price of £282k when average salary is around 34k.
Unlike others on this thread I don't necessarily begrudge inheritance but life is bloody tough for those that don't have it. Why should today's council kids have it harder?
- Jul 10, 2003
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The only problem with using the higher rate income tax as the definition, is that would only effect 10% of pensioners currently (although predicted to be 20% by 2027 if tax thresholds and triple lock stay). Interestingly 11% of the overall population pay the higher rate but are just about to be overtaken by the percentage of pensioners.
The problem with using income tax thresholds to define benefits is that if you don't have a mortgage or rent to pay, the amount of income required to live reasonably drops through the floor (also helped by kids becoming independent). We survive nicely on about a fifth of the income we needed when we had a mortgage and kids
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Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Sure - Political posturing.Yes, of course, our off spring are the future and one hopes that their lives will be happy and fulfilling, but that is no reason to take away a benefit from the vulnerable elderly to whom £300 is far more important to them than to you and I.
The reason that this issue is dominating the headlines is surely obvious to anyone with any interest in politics. Blimey, if the Albion had scored an own goal like this , there would be serious calls for the whole team and coaching staff to be fined 6 months wages!
This is exactly why the young generation are disengaging from the political process.
Hopefully the era of pandering to the middle-aged - older voter is over and politicians start focussing on policies to improve our country and not worrying what the Mail online thinks about their policies.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Here you go, I know you struggle with remembering what you actually did and then later 'forgetting' and trying to claim something else entirely
You're welcome
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When Labour start criminalising peaceful protests, bullying the BBC into being more compliant, unlawfully suspending Parliament to avoid defeat in a vote by elected MPs, sacking senior civil servants who offer Ministers ‘unwelcome’ expert advice, and introducing ID Cards for voting in order to try rigging elections, then you can complain about a Totalitarian route being pursued - and I will be with you 100%.
In the meantime, complaining about Totalitarianism over this issue makes you sound flippant. It is also insulting to the real victims of Totalitarianism in the former Soviet Union, and present-day North Korea.
Get a grip, FFS!
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nevergoagain
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Not having a degree isn't the blocker to being successful that a lot of people seem to think it is, especially in the digital world, you can make your own way through hard work and good ideas if you want to. Certain careers obviously do correctly require certain qualifications and I'd be sympathetic to those degrees having some level of funding. Apprentice wages are dreadful I agree, but a trade/craft is being learned and the end state is coming out with a marketable skill, plus the employer is paying you to complete formal training at college etc. and not at your place of work. I would compare that favourably to effectively being at 6th form for 2 years not earning anything.
As I said earlier, it would be a start and give time for a fair system to be introduced. The startling way the policy was announced was a genuine shock, and not one that anyone saw coming, especially from Labour, the party of the underdog. I genuinely don’t believe that pensioners with incomes just above the Pension Credit line can be considered those members of the population with ‘the broadest shoulders.’The only problem with using the higher rate income tax as the definition is that would only effect 10% of pensioners currently (although predicted to be 20% by 2027 if tax thresholds and triple lock stay).
The problem with using income tax thresholds to define benefits is that if you don't have a mortgage or rent to pay, the amount of income required to live reasonably drops through the floor (also helped by kids becoming independent). We survive nicely on about a fifth of the income we needed when we had a mortgage and kids
Anyway, it is almost time for my butler to bring me my Horlicks, strongly laced with the finest Cognac that France can produce.
PS. Can you tell that this old Boomer has had enough of serious political discussion for the day?
Cheers!
seagullsovergrimsby
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Out of the 10 million pensioners who miss out on WFP how many of them live abroad in a warmer climate ?
Political ineptitude by K and R, I call it.
Anyway, it is good to talk/argue/discuss, and for what it is worth, yes the Mail really is an awful rag!
yes, we certainly can’t have poor kids getting educated. Some of them might start thinking for themselves.
- Feb 22, 2014
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None the Tories took it away years ago.
nevergoagain
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What on earth are you blithering on about ?
Getting a job isn’t the only reason you’d go to University. Its purpose is education. Not what you wrote. And for Boomers that education was free.
Though there’s lots of evidence that you will earn more as a graduate too. Which will be nice if mummy and daddy are also leaving you 500k. As opposed to, say, a drug habit.
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rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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an absolute rip snorter.
just under five years to go, how hysterical are we going to get?
Correct, it would be outrageous for a politician to claim that we should “let the bodies pile high in their thousands”, I’m sure you would agree?