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[Football] Sutton United Ladies put their head above the parapet
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It's not an idea though is it? Not unless you believe people who transition from one sex to another are purely suffering from mental health issues. Geneder dysphoria is real. Sometimes it results in people choosing to transition and sometimes it does not.
LamieRobertson
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The right thing to do is a matter of opinion…..Blair took us to war because he said it was the ‘’right thing to do’’ (ok i know its an extreme
)PascalGroß Tips
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Absolutely. It’s not right when the focus is on an individual. The GK in this scenario should be protected. One issue for me is that some sporting bodies are clear on their position and rules whereas others aren’t - which doesn’t help anyone.
m20gull
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Title IX is American legislation that protects female sports. It used to use a defintion that was based on biological sex but has now been extended to include transgender males.
The Flying Bats are an Australian women's football team that plays with 6 transgender males. Australian legislation is now based on declared gender rather than sex so there is traction in state legislation which the sporting bodiea are unable to resist.
The IOC boxing decision is one where, in the absence of a governing body, inclusion was prioritised over fairness.
As governing bodies research the detail most of them come down on the side of fairness (excluding males where there is advantage) but it's hard work. Triathlon is an interesting one where British Triathlon has a different policy from the world body. So at the Olympics only females could represent GB, not so for other countries.
LamieRobertson
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Thanks for acknowledging my point re the person involved….the ‘gender’ argument seems a controversial topic …..and the individual concerned is often buried in the tirade of arguments and we must be sensitive to this.
Agreed re different set of rules…..for example i think World rugby bans ‘trans from the women’s game and yet in Canada the national body allows it (from my understanding)…ive seen clips of a guy who isn’t even transitioning and who is far superior physically playing in women’s teams
Yes, it's extreme. And without wishing to derail, we all knew it wasn't the right thing to do. It was done to appease the Americans. I was on the anti-war March and I'm still someone who defends Blair's record (aside from Iraq).The right thing to do is a matter of opinion…..Blair took us to war because he said it was the ‘’right thing to do’’ (ok i know its an extreme
Anyhow, the point is, we know action against climate change is right - we don't really want to do it though do we.
LamieRobertson
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Yeah it was too extreme, apologies…i won’t post my comments about climate change
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Is there really a large group of women who object to transgenderism or is it that they object to transgender athletes taking the place of CIS female ones?
Curious Orange
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Yes, 'being born into the wrong body' is an idea, not a reality - to change your body at any level that isn't just cosmetic* would involve re-writing your DNA, at which point you are someone else.
Yes, gender dysphoria is a very real condition. Medically transitioning because of it is definitely not something to be done without full psychological support, as it does result in a lifetime of treatment, which nobody should do on a whim.
* that seems a rather glib word to use tbh.
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/me Opens this thread expecting it to be about the Crawley Coach/Sutton player who gobbed off on Twitter.
/me When reading this thread
/me When reading this thread
m20gull
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I'm pretty sure Mustafa was referring to the issue of people being both male and female simultaneously. Hence the rarity. AFAIK there are no such examples but I'm prepared to be wrong.
Another divisive article in the DM today. By coincidence or is an agenda going on there
First transgender Paralympian reaches 400m semi-finals amid backlash
An athlete who has won 11 national men's titles, qualified for Paralympics 400m women's semi-final at the age of 51 on Monday after finishing second in her opening race of the Games.
/me Opens this thread expecting it to be about the Crawley Coach/Sutton player who gobbed off on Twitter.
/me When reading this thread
Absolutely.
Time to *ignore thread*.
Not really true, the previous Russian run governing body excluded her after she beat a Russian boxer and never disclosed what their new test was and hadn't used it until part way through that competition.
This was just one of many contentious and dubious decisions made by them so they were removed as the governing body. No rules were changed to allow Khelif to compete. That the rules may change in future doesn't change the fact that the decision was entirely fair.
PascalGroß Tips
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You seem to think it's the DM that is the issue - probably because your political views don't align with them.Another divisive article in the DM today. By coincidence or is an agenda going on there
First transgender Paralympian reaches 400m semi-finals amid backlash
An athlete who has won 11 national men's titles, qualified for Paralympics 400m women's semi-final at the age of 51 on Monday after finishing second in her opening race of the Games.www.dailymail.co.uk
Sonia Sodha is a big voice on this issue. Does she have an agenda... bearing in mind who she writes for?
m20gull
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That wasn't my perception. The IOC were the ones that stated Khelif was included in the female category under their rules because that is what the passport said.
BadFish
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I haven't read the whole thread but from what I did see it is more big opinons and small qualifications.
I am sure the evidence the FA used t when they decided to register the player has been posted and dissected by both the DM and NSC. Nuance and expert opinion taken into account while sensitively keeping considering those affected by the decision.
I am sure the evidence the FA used t when they decided to register the player has been posted and dissected by both the DM and NSC. Nuance and expert opinion taken into account while sensitively keeping considering those affected by the decision.
hart's shirt
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"Male advantage is created through development and so it is essentially laid down over years and years of exposure to testosterone. The solution that sport has tried to come up with is to say well if the source of that advantage is testosterone then let's lower it and then the athlete is free to compete.
But that doesn’t work because there is an asymmetry there because some of the changes that testosterone causes, like the increased muscle mass, increased strength, the shape and size of the skeleton, those changes don’t go away. There are some, like haemoglobin levels, certain elements of the cardiovascular system that may go away.
But the strength advantages, all the evidence that exists suggests that even when you remove testosterone in an adult those advantages continue to exist in that person. So therefore sport has to realise that it can’t take away that male advantage, reduce it slightly yes, but certainly it doesn't get removed. And the only conclusion you can then draw is that the person still has male advantage even when their testosterone is lower."
Dr. Ross Tucker, Ph.D in Exercise Physiology
https://sportsscientists.com/who-are-we/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cpvymmpyjeko
But that doesn’t work because there is an asymmetry there because some of the changes that testosterone causes, like the increased muscle mass, increased strength, the shape and size of the skeleton, those changes don’t go away. There are some, like haemoglobin levels, certain elements of the cardiovascular system that may go away.
But the strength advantages, all the evidence that exists suggests that even when you remove testosterone in an adult those advantages continue to exist in that person. So therefore sport has to realise that it can’t take away that male advantage, reduce it slightly yes, but certainly it doesn't get removed. And the only conclusion you can then draw is that the person still has male advantage even when their testosterone is lower."
Dr. Ross Tucker, Ph.D in Exercise Physiology
https://sportsscientists.com/who-are-we/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cpvymmpyjeko