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Hotchilidog

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Jan 24, 2009
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ROSM said:
What may be even worse is if there is any evidence that ticketmaster held back tickets to create a demand that meant dynamic pricing would kick in.
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Ticketmaster are just awful. The dynamic pricing is a complete scam, all the tickets for the Oasis show were going to be "in demand" so it's really just an excuse scam punters.

We do need legislation for this. Ticket prices + fees should be listed prior to sale, you should not discover this once you have successfully navigated the on line queue.

Tickets should only be resold for the original face value ticket price. Touting for gig tickets should be illegal. The secondary markets are polluted by professional touts (this includes the ticket agencies themselves) by making profiteering a criminal offence you should clamp down on this, freeing up tickets for the non-bots on ticket sale day.

Also the Gallagher's will have signed off of on the dynamic pricing, they have treated their fans with utter contempt here. Oasis reforming is a big deal for so many people and they have just been sh*t on by the band.
 




mikeyjh

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Dec 17, 2008
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Papak said:
I don't remember seeing anything about dynamic pricing before it was actually being reported by people trying to buy tickets, anyway, it is what is is. I've also just read there will be no more dates.

This did make me chuckle:

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The comments are also very humorous.
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Guarantee she'll be videoing the whole thing on her phone as well.
 




Wozza

Wozza

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Jul 6, 2003
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ROSM said:
What may be even worse is if there is any evidence that ticketmaster held back tickets to create a demand that meant dynamic pricing would kick in.
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Yes, that's exactly what happens, I think.

Once the (intentionally restricted) standard tickets are sold, Platinum (or "in-demand") tickets are offered to take advantage of desperate fans.

It's pre-calculated.

(Another reason not to call it 'dynamic pricing' - the other being that prices never go down.)
 


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nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Hotchilidog said:
Ticketmaster are just awful. The dynamic pricing is a complete scam, all the tickets for the Oasis show were going to be "in demand" so it's really just an excuse scam punters.

We do need legislation for this. Ticket prices + fees should be listed prior to sale, you should not discover this once you have successfully navigated the on line queue.

Tickets should only be resold for the original face value ticket price. Touting for gig tickets should be illegal. The secondary markets are polluted by professional touts (this includes the ticket agencies themselves) by making profiteering a criminal offence you should clamp down on this, freeing up tickets for the non-bots on ticket sale day.

Also the Gallagher's will have signed off of on the dynamic pricing, they have treated their fans with utter contempt here. Oasis reforming is a big deal for so many people and they have just been sh*t on by the band.
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The blame ultimately is with the enablers, these being the Gallagher's. Pure greed nothing else. The final kick in the teeth will be if further dates are announced.
 












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METALMICKY

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Jan 30, 2004
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The Ticketmaster/ live nation stitch up and the fact that it's NOT illegal to resell a ticket above face value is an issue that's been ignored for years. Lots of empty promises from the Tories and I suspect labour will only pay lip service to doing anything meaningful. My suspicion is that some big players are 'in bed' with Ticketmaster and the like and therefore not in their interest to do anything.
 


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jordanseagull

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Feb 11, 2009
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Hotchilidog said:
Ticketmaster are just awful. The dynamic pricing is a complete scam, all the tickets for the Oasis show were going to be "in demand" so it's really just an excuse scam punters.

We do need legislation for this. Ticket prices + fees should be listed prior to sale, you should not discover this once you have successfully navigated the on line queue.

Tickets should only be resold for the original face value ticket price. Touting for gig tickets should be illegal. The secondary markets are polluted by professional touts (this includes the ticket agencies themselves) by making profiteering a criminal offence you should clamp down on this, freeing up tickets for the non-bots on ticket sale day.

Also the Gallagher's will have signed off of on the dynamic pricing, they have treated their fans with utter contempt here. Oasis reforming is a big deal for so many people and they have just been sh*t on by the band.
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Sorry to say that even if this was to happen, the numerous companies operating out of Dubai or similar will hoover up the tickets instead, and they'll still end up on secondary sites for extortionate amounts. Perhaps even more so, given there would be a de facto monopoly.

The only improvement would be that secondaries with a .co.uk domain would not legally be able to display the tickets. But every other domain, including .com, will. See how Italy has strict laws against touting but resale tickets appear all over Viagogo, except on the .it domain.

This problem will only be addressed at source, I personally think legislation will be toothless.

(This is a very different issue to that of 'dynamic pricing' of course.)
 


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jordanseagull

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Feb 11, 2009
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METALMICKY said:
The Ticketmaster/ live nation stitch up and the fact that it's NOT illegal to resell a ticket above face value is an issue that's been ignored for years. Lots of empty promises from the Tories and I suspect labour will only pay lip service to doing anything meaningful. My suspicion is that some big players are 'in bed' with Ticketmaster and the like and therefore not in their interest to do anything.
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Not to mention that with the exception of some already very rich artists (like Ed Sheeran), it's in the interests of bands for touting to occur, as the venues sell out far quicker, leading to more perceived scarcity and demand for added dates.
 




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Hotchilidog

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Jan 24, 2009
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jordanseagull said:
Sorry to say that even if this was to happen, the numerous companies operating out of Dubai or similar will hoover up the tickets instead, and they'll still end up on secondary sites for extortionate amounts. Perhaps even more so, given there would be a de facto monopoly.

The only improvement would be that secondaries with a .co.uk domain would not legally be able to display the tickets. But every other domain, including .com, will. See how Italy has strict laws against touting but resale tickets appear all over Viagogo, except on the .it domain.

This problem will only be addressed at source, I personally think legislation will be toothless.

(This is a very different issue to that of 'dynamic pricing' of course.)
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It's possible if the promoters only accept tickets from official sites. All the tickets can be tracked and listings on unauthorised sites could be cancelled. This has happened with some shows already.

The problem is that the promoters and ticket agencies have no interest in fairness for the punter as they increase their margins through the secondary market with which they are heavily involved.
 


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Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
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jordanseagull said:
Not to mention that with the exception of some already very rich artists (like Ed Sheeran), it's in the interests of bands for touting to occur, as the venues sell out far quicker, leading to more perceived scarcity and demand for added dates.
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A part of Taylor Swift's appeal is this perceived scarcity, not wanting to miss out on the 'hot' ticket, the hype around release of tickets elevating the whole thing to a desperate frenzy out of all proportion to reality, the momentum spiralling out of control, almost like a social experiment at work.
 






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jordanseagull

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Feb 11, 2009
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Hotchilidog said:
It's possible if the promoters only accept tickets from official sites. All the tickets can be tracked and listings on unauthorised sites could be cancelled. This has happened with some shows already.

The problem is that the promoters and ticket agencies have no interest in fairness for the punter as they increase their margins through the secondary market with which they are heavily involved.
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How do you propose that a general admission/standing ticket on Viagogo, i.e. one that can't be identified as part of a listing in same way Row E seat 12 can, is weeded out and cancelled? Bearing in mind that the tickets on Viagogo are just Ticketmaster tickets that people are listing and transferring once that feature is enabled closer to the show.

The alternative of making them non-transferable/ID checked doesn't work for large stadium gigs as you'd have queues miles long. It would also cause absolute mayhem as anyone buying a ticket as a gift for their children/friends/whoever wouldn't be able to do so.
 






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Hotchilidog

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Jan 24, 2009
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jordanseagull said:
How do you propose that a general admission/standing ticket on Viagogo, i.e. one that can't be identified as part of a listing in same way Row E seat 12 can, is weeded out and cancelled? Bearing in mind that the tickets on Viagogo are just Ticketmaster tickets that people are listing and transferring once that feature is enabled closer to the show.

The alternative of making them non-transferable/ID checked doesn't work for large stadium gigs as you'd have queues miles long. It would also cause absolute mayhem as anyone buying a ticket as a gift for their children/friends/whoever wouldn't be able to do so.
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I am assuming (and I accept that this maybe be a big if) given the tickets are digital they will have a unique identifier, number or QR code or something of that nature. If they are traceable they are cancellable. I do however stand to be corrected on this. You could offer regulated resale with clear limits on price gouging and fees. There just not seem to be either the political will or indeed the industry will to do anything about it.

My mine beef with the secondary market, is that these tickets have been bought for profit by professional scalpers/bots etc all of whom have the means to hoover up these tickets (sometimes in cahoots with the ticketing agent) that ordinary punters do not.

Ticket sales for oversubscribed events such as Oasis and Taylor Swift (and I got Taylor tickets through pre-registration and album purchase) needs to be reviewed to at least rebalance the odds in favour of the fans even it's only a marginal rebalancing of those odds.
 






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jordanseagull

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Feb 11, 2009
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Hotchilidog said:
I am assuming (and I accept that this maybe be a big if) given the tickets are digital they will have a unique identifier, number or QR code or something of that nature. If they are traceable they are cancellable. I do however stand to be corrected on this. You could offer regulated resale with clear limits on price gouging and fees. There just not seem to be either the political will or indeed the industry will to do anything about it.

My mine beef with the secondary market, is that these tickets have been bought for profit by professional scalpers/bots etc all of whom have the means to hoover up these tickets (sometimes in cahoots with the ticketing agent) that ordinary punters do not.

Ticket sales for oversubscribed events such as Oasis and Taylor Swift (and I got Taylor tickets through pre-registration and album purchase) needs to be reviewed to at least rebalance the odds in favour of the fans even it's only a marginal rebalancing of those odds.
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Can't argue with the final part of that.

The issue with traceability is what exactly do you want them to trace? If the option to transfer is on, which it always will be for these big stadium shows, there is no way to discern whether it's being transferred to a family member/friend/whoever, or to someone you have sold it to on Viagogo or whatnot. When selling on Viagogo, you're just given the email address of the buyer to transfer the tickets to, in the same way your friend would give you their email address to transfer the tickets to.
 


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