mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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And it would be re taken for a rolling ball.........
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[Albion] You're the ref: Veltman v Rice
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I don’t think anyone thinks this do they? Rice hacked him down with a really poor tackle and he got brilliant revenge on that.
As I'm now an expert on the rules
I can confirm that dissent is a separate "cautionable offence". Rice was guilty of "delaying the restart of play". Minteh was booked for dissent.
American Seagle
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- Jun 14, 2022
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This is a crazy opinion I have seen spouted by a lot of Arsenal fans as well. If you follow the logic that Rice can not be booked for delaying the free-kick as the ball was not stationary then it is ok for a player who gave away a free kick to simply dribble the ball around for ten minute after the foul. As long as the ball is moving it wouldn't be a legal restart and so they can not be booked for stopping the restart.
It's some incredible mental gymnastics they are going through to argue that.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Some do.
Shaktarman
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- Sep 19, 2022
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Welbeck saying ‘it’s a second yellow’ is class.
Arsenal are niggly and horrible. They committed almost double the number of foul as did with 12 compared to 7. We had two players booked for moaning and I expect that is because they got bored of being fouled so often. Rice thought he had the free pass now that Kane has removed himself from media darling who can do no wrong status. He was wrong.
Odegaard constantly moaned but was not booked. Raya time wasted for the last half hour but it took forever for him to be booked. Arsenal controlling the narrative in the media is incredible.
Arteta played for a point. They parked the bus and hoofed it vs a side with two 20 year olds in centre mid who have started about 15 prem games between them (maybe less?).
Odegaard constantly moaned but was not booked. Raya time wasted for the last half hour but it took forever for him to be booked. Arsenal controlling the narrative in the media is incredible.
Arteta played for a point. They parked the bus and hoofed it vs a side with two 20 year olds in centre mid who have started about 15 prem games between them (maybe less?).
It amused me. He didn’t say it to the ref. He said it to rice nice and loud so the ref could hear it. Some arsenal fans saying he should be booked for telling the ref what to do. I think arsenal fans want the refs to be removed from the game and players decide when a ball is in play and ban all conversations between players.
Rice knew, arteta knew (see his face when sees replay).
Good to know Minteh's English is up to scratch
Spot on. The MotD crew seemed to think Arsenal played well when down to 10 men, and would be glad of a point. However, in truth they completely surrendered the initiative and played football that Dyche would have been proud of. I can't imagine Guardiola and City reacting anywhere like Arsenal did. City would continue to stifle the opposition with quality possession football - especially, as you say, with two very inexperienced centre midfielders on our side. Before yesterday I thought Arsenal were a great bet for the title, but now I'm convinced it will be Citeh again (unless, of course, the 115 charges kick in).
Bold Seagull
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The Rice one is straight forward. Ref blows for a free kick, free kick clearly awarded, Rice stops free kick being taken.
The Pedro one is less clear. Ball has gone out of play, but it’s in a grey area of the player trying to keep the ball in, he doesn’t kick the ball away as such, he kicks it straight to Raya. It has gone out by some margin, and Pedro knows that at the point he kicks it so I think he is lucky not to get booked, but can understand it’s not as cut and dry as stopping a free kick that has been given.
The Pedro one is less clear. Ball has gone out of play, but it’s in a grey area of the player trying to keep the ball in, he doesn’t kick the ball away as such, he kicks it straight to Raya. It has gone out by some margin, and Pedro knows that at the point he kicks it so I think he is lucky not to get booked, but can understand it’s not as cut and dry as stopping a free kick that has been given.
herecomesaregular
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My bad,haven't red the thread or about it elsewhere other than watching on my stream and motd.
My take: Veltman is a sly and wily old dog and Rice is a bit thick. Rice is incredibly stupid to give the ref the decision to make, so can't complain if a crap British ref makes the 2nd yellow decision. What went on with Pedro early is irrelevant.
Love Veltman, what a player.
My take: Veltman is a sly and wily old dog and Rice is a bit thick. Rice is incredibly stupid to give the ref the decision to make, so can't complain if a crap British ref makes the 2nd yellow decision. What went on with Pedro early is irrelevant.
Love Veltman, what a player.
The second half lasted 51 minutes. Arsenal completed 49 passes in the second half. They stopped trying to play.
It is touch and go, but on balance Rice has to go, and it’s made all the more easier had Joao Pedro been carded in the first half.
That said, the difference between JP and Rice is that the latter (ed.) was preventing play to get started.
That said, the ball was moving so it can be argued that Rice didn’t prevent play starting. And, Veltman did kick Rice. The only reason we as Albion fans know this is because we know Joel and he’s a master of the dark arts. A VAR may not know him so well.
Veltman is not going to get a warm welcome back at the Emirates that’s for sure.
That said, the difference between JP and Rice is that the latter (ed.) was preventing play to get started.
That said, the ball was moving so it can be argued that Rice didn’t prevent play starting. And, Veltman did kick Rice. The only reason we as Albion fans know this is because we know Joel and he’s a master of the dark arts. A VAR may not know him so well.
Veltman is not going to get a warm welcome back at the Emirates that’s for sure.
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I think that was Joel's farewell appearance at the Emirates... unless there's a cup game
You're right and all these moaning are missing the point. JP kicked a ball that had just gone out of play, it wasn't on the pitch and would not have stopped the restart as a throw. 1. No Arsenal player was close to where the throw was and 2. There's multi-ball. Rice kicked the ball off the pitch and immediately delayed the restart.
They keep banging on about it being a sending off. It wasn't it was a booking.
Rice said later he was “shocked … I think you could see that on my face. But this is the laws of the game. If you touch the ball even a little bit it’s a red card after my challenge in the first half. It was tough, it was harsh but I have to move on from it.”
Fair play to Rice for these comments
Fair play to Rice for these comments
7dialssouthpaw
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- Sep 10, 2022
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may I add ... play to the whistle. Pedro did, Rice didn't.