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EU plans to reduce CO2 from cars.









larus

Well-known member
Got to start somewhere if we're really serious about tackling climate change.

Agreed, those with very expensive cars won't care, but if it impacts 95% of car owners, then it's a good thing.

It may force the car manufacturers to REALLY concentrate their financial muscle on improving engine efficiency.
 


seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
44,054
Crap Town
The penalties per gram are more than class A drugs retail for. It would be more cost effective reducing co2 levels by running over all the smackheads as they would no longer be exhaling co2 into the atmosphere.
 


Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
62,634
Location Location
We cannot stop climate change. It would be like trying to stop the last Ice Age coming to an end. The planets temperature has always fluctuated throughout the ages, not a damn thing we can do about it. Its futile. We might as well try to make the Earth spin in the opposite direction.
 




Barrel of Fun

Abort, retry, fail
We cannot stop climate change. It would be like trying to stop the last Ice Age coming to an end. The planets temperature has always fluctuated throughout the ages, not a damn thing we can do about it. Its futile. We might as well try to make the Earth spin in the opposite direction.

Whilst this is a good point, we can probably slow down our impact and there is also the issue of quality of life. We can have cleaner air, we can harness energy from renewable sources without having to rely on oil and so on. I would write more, but I have an appointment with a pint or three.
 


Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
My car is 1 gram under the limit for the lowest car tax band here, so I suspect I'm sorted. Now, when they start worrying about the *other* stuff diesels put out...
 


REDLAND

Active member
Jul 7, 2003
9,443
At the foot of the downs
My car is 1 gram under the limit for the lowest car tax band here, so I suspect I'm sorted. Now, when they start worrying about the *other* stuff diesels put out...

I've never seen a women put out for diesel, so you should be alright there as well ..
 






Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
I've never seen a women put out for diesel, so you should be alright there as well ..

I've never seen a woman who isn't riddled with STDs "put out" for any sort of car, but considering the top two of Le Mans 2007 were running diesel, and a number of manufacturers of "hot hatches", which the drivers of always seem to assume impress (chavvy) birds no longer use petrol engines, I'm sure they do.

However, the intent of my car is definively not to impress women.
 


Barry Izbak

U.T.A.
Dec 7, 2005
7,476
Lancing By Sea
We cannot stop climate change. It would be like trying to stop the last Ice Age coming to an end. The planets temperature has always fluctuated throughout the ages, not a damn thing we can do about it. Its futile. We might as well try to make the Earth spin in the opposite direction.

Perfectly correct, but how are they going to get more sponds out of me with that attitude ?

When was the last "carbon saving" idea that you heard anyone come up with that didn't involve charging people more money ?

Reduce airplane CO2? Reduce the number of flights? No. Charge us more.
Increase recycling ? Charge you more for throwing away your rubbish.

There's no escaping it, and fancy them coming up with the headline to charge an extra grand for a new car? Cheaper to keep an old banger with worse CO2 emmissions on the road.

Its all bollocks:bounce:
 




Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
62,634
Location Location
Whilst this is a good point, we can probably slow down our impact and there is also the issue of quality of life. We can have cleaner air, we can harness energy from renewable sources without having to rely on oil and so on. I would write more, but I have an appointment with a pint or three.
Perhaps we can pick this up tomorrow then.
Another point - the worlds population is currently around 6.5bn. By 2050, its forcasted to have reached around 9bn. Given these figures, twatting about reaching the current emmision reduction targets is going to make feck all difference, because its going to be exceeded by a 30-odd percent explosion in the worlds population anyway.


Does that mean that time goes backwards too?
ONLY if its done by Superman.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,291
BMW said the proposals were "naive" steps that would distort the market in favour of makers of smaller cars.

love that quote, maybe thats the f***ing idea?

having said that, this is a load of bollocks. counting grams of CO2 is stupid and doesnt address the root problem, the willfull abuse of energy in general and persistant use of burning carbon based fuels rather than depolying more intelligent methods.
 


love that quote, maybe thats the f***ing idea?

having said that, this is a load of bollocks. counting grams of CO2 is stupid and doesnt address the root problem, the willfull abuse of energy in general and persistant use of burning carbon based fuels rather than depolying more intelligent methods.

Not to mention the destruction of vast areas of rain forests whose trees would be able to absorb a huge % of all CO2 emissions.
 




TSB

Captain Hindsight
Jul 7, 2003
17,666
Lansdowne Place, Hove
If they're cracking down on CO2 then all ozone-depleting chemicals will soon be under the spotlight: Norman Baker should be worried, what with all the methane he expels every time he opens his mouth
 


love that quote, maybe thats the f***ing idea?

That was exactly my thought when I read it last night. Classic.

having said that, this is a load of bollocks. counting grams of CO2 is stupid and doesnt address the root problem, the willfull abuse of energy in general and persistant use of burning carbon based fuels rather than depolying more intelligent methods.

I don't think this is bollocks... however it is clearly a short-term measure. The EU clearly feels that there aren't at this time sufficient technologies available to produce cars powered by other means (which would tackle the major problem, of our dependency upon oil and gas), so they are taking steps to attempt to reduce the existing emissions that we do produce. I'm just worried that this will send out the wrong message to car firms; that they should be investing R&D in creating more efficient cars, when in fact they should be investing in creating cars with alternative power sources.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,291
I'm just worried that this will send out the wrong message to car firms; that they should be investing R&D in creating more efficient cars, when in fact they should be investing in creating cars with alternative power sources.

rather my point. If the EU means to get tough, banning further production of petrol/diesel cars, or at least severe restrictions, is the way forward. reducing emissions by 10% or whatever is just adjusting the proverbial deck chairs. The alternatives exist already but are expensive, someone simply needs to make the move to force their adoption and break the chicken/egg cycle so they become economic.
 


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