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Yougov poll shows Lib Dems at 8%
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Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
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Nice to see the political pipsqueaks back down where they belong. That's the Lib Dems dead and buried now. About the only thing they had going for them before the election was their perceived principles. Oh well. Their natural voters will now split between Labour and the Greens - hoorah!
To be fair, their flagship policy was that if they got into Government they would aim to abandon fees, although they acknowledged that they could only afford to do this for final year students during their first term in office. The Lib Dems encouraged all of their parliamentary candidates to sign the NUS pledge that they would oppose any rise in tuition fees in this parliament. As things have turned out, the rise in tuition fees will only go through because of Lib Dem supoport, and it isn't just a small rise, it is a three-fold increase in fees.
Whatever your view is on fees, how can you support a party that has so blatently u-turned on their pre-election promises?
I tactically voted to ensure the lib dems had the best possible chance of forming a government, I now regret this. I'll never be voting Lib Dem again, ever. I'd rather destroy my ballot paper.
Whatever your view is on fees, how can you support a party that has so blatently u-turned on their pre-election promises?
I tactically voted to ensure the lib dems had the best possible chance of forming a government, I now regret this. I'll never be voting Lib Dem again, ever. I'd rather destroy my ballot paper.
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Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
So they've gone 2-0 down in the first 5 mins. Still a long way to go to the final whistle!!
My feelings at the moment, except that I probably will vote Lib Dem again once Clegg has been booted out.
They had flagship policies and they should have insisted on guarantees that these key policies would have been carried out before choosing to form a coalition government. Otherwise, the Tories should have been allowed to form a minority government.
The problem now is that this has put much needed voting reform back a decade because the LibDems have shown how useless it can be if any of the coalition partners are clueless and incompetent.
severnside gull
Well-known member
or,as the tories and labour have amply demonstrated over the years, you can promise the earth when you think you WILL get in government
Not with four and a half years of this government left. If they can get us out of this economic mess then University fees will be right at the back of peoples minds.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
lets face it they are all a bunch of liars,crooks and gangsters and if the general public don't destroy the libs dems then the tories will when they have out lived their usefulness.
my only hope is that the people who voted lib dem will go straight to the Greens because probably not in my life time,but they will be the major party eventually when people see sense
my only hope is that the people who voted lib dem will go straight to the Greens because probably not in my life time,but they will be the major party eventually when people see sense
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
Really? They might need to become a bit more centerist if they are to become electable. If there was to be another general election today then Lucas would probably lose her seat back to Labour.
Excellently put. Would love to hear someone defending what the Libs have done, anyone?
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
You can't really defend it, but you can explain it. They had to pay a price for being in Government and this it what it was.
They could have stayed out of Government and done a supply and confidence deal with the tories, but isn't the ultimate desire for a political party to be in Government and shaping events?
I treat these polls with the appropriate caution but it's interesting that Labour are level with the Tories and Miliband has not really done anything yet.
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
Plus, they would have had the same problem if they joined with Labour. Labour don't disagree with the need to increase tutition fees, they (or Ed Milliband, not Alan Johnson) think there should be a graduate tax to pay for it.
The ultimate lesson is don't include gimmicky policies, especially ones as serious as this one!
The ultimate lesson is don't include gimmicky policies, especially ones as serious as this one!
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
So it can only get worse for Milliband right? Given all the unrest about the cuts and the bounce Labour should get from getting rid of Brown, they should be doing a lot better than being level!!
The graduate tax is an excellent idea. Which begs the question, why the hell didn't they implement it when they had the chance?
I think you also have to consider the state of the country when the ConDems came into power, they knew the finances were bad but I don't think they quite appreciated just how much Labour had fcuked things up. I'm not saying I agree with the rise in tuition fees and the Lib Dem U-turn but you have to put it into perspective.
The trouble is the Lib Dems shot themselves in the foot when they made all those pre-election promises without knowing the facts, they should have left themselves a little bit of leeway.
The trouble is the Lib Dems shot themselves in the foot when they made all those pre-election promises without knowing the facts, they should have left themselves a little bit of leeway.
Er, not in my opinion, no. I'd be suprised if the electorate turned sharply against the government so soon after an election. So, being level at this stage is fine with me.
Government spending is not a secret. Maybe they should have paid closer attention when looking at the books and making statements. 'we didnt realise how bad it was' just does not wash with me....from any party. It shows negligence.