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Yay!!! The hosepipe ban is being lifted!



The Oldman

I like the Hat
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Jul 12, 2003
7,139
In the shadow of Seaford Head
I,m in Newhaven & get a bill from both Southern & South East so how do I stand (or am I being mugged by one of these two)?

The bill from Southern is for your waste water/sewage disposal whereas the South East bill is for the supply of water so like the good folk of Seaford the hosepipe ban stays for Newhaven.
 




Brixtaan

New member
Jul 7, 2003
5,030
Border country.East Preston.
No-one seems to ask the water companies why they don't learn (invest) after previous droughts. We came perilously close only a couple of years ago! HOW THE f*** DO THEY MANAGE IN SPAIN AND FRANCE? We have got to be one of the greenest lushest wettest countries on earth and these greedy out-of-control companies are not doing their job whilst robbing the consumer.
Another example of capitalism failing.
 


BigGully

Well-known member
Sep 8, 2006
7,139
No-one seems to ask the water companies why they don't learn (invest) after previous droughts. We came perilously close only a couple of years ago! HOW THE f*** DO THEY MANAGE IN SPAIN AND FRANCE? We have got to be one of the greenest lushest wettest countries on earth and these greedy out-of-control companies are not doing their job whilst robbing the consumer.
Another example of capitalism failing.

I agree, but I do not think they are failing, I think they are bluffing and cheating us.

Feeding us statistics that would make us think we are likely to run out of water within a year if we dont all cut back, someone better tell the gulf stream that !!

Great business if you can get it, decrease consumption whilst maintaining or increasing income, luvvly jubbly.
 
















Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,884
Guiseley
HOW THE f*** DO THEY MANAGE IN SPAIN AND FRANCE?

France:

Land Area - 674,000 km2
Population - 65,000,000
Population density - 96 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 700 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ratio 7:1

Spain:

Land Area - 505,000 km2
Population - 47,000,000
Population density - 93 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 650 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ratio 7:1

England:

Land Area - 180,000 km2
Population - 52,000,000
Population density - 289 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 840 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ration 3:1

Hope this answers your question, and NO NEED TO SHOUT.

Edit: our weather is also less predictable.
 
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Badger

NOT the Honey Badger
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May 8, 2007
13,013
Toronto
England:

Land Area - 180,000 km2
Population - 52,000,000
Population density - 289 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 840 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ration 3:1

I don't think that tells the whole story, most of that rain lands in Manchester.
 


BigGully

Well-known member
Sep 8, 2006
7,139
France:

Land Area - 674,000 km2
Population - 65,000,000
Population density - 96 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 700 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ratio 7:1

Spain:

Land Area - 505,000 km2
Population - 47,000,000
Population density - 93 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 650 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ratio 7:1

England:

Land Area - 180,000 km2
Population - 52,000,000
Population density - 289 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 840 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ration 3:1

Hope this answers your question, and NO NEED TO SHOUT.

Edit: our weather is also less predictable.

Nope, there are extreme climates within those countries climates, I would suspect Alps and the Pyrenees effect your averages.

Probably making your averages flawed a little and by the way our weather is very very predictable.

It remains that we are generally battered by the Atlantic, with a conveyor belt of depressions passing over us driven by the jet stream.

We have dry spells and we have wet spells, it's where we live, the averages are not particularly relevant when we have a dry/wet spell over a 4 week period.

Each time a water company 'Environmental Executive' is wheeled out offering a wetter/dryer than normal spell he is bluffing you.

They either need to invest more of their profits if they are telling the truth or more likely just deal with the demand and offer good value for money.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,826
No-one seems to ask the water companies why they don't learn (invest) after previous droughts. We came perilously close only a couple of years ago! HOW THE f*** DO THEY MANAGE IN SPAIN AND FRANCE? We have got to be one of the greenest lushest wettest countries on earth and these greedy out-of-control companies are not doing their job whilst robbing the consumer.
Another example of capitalism failing.

no, its a case of "democracy" succeeding. they arent allowed to build anything. for example, Thames Water are trying to improve Londons sewage system at t the cost of n Billions and are getting delayed because noone wants the works entrance and maintenance shafts in thier manor. Water companies talk about and have plans for a national water grid to transfer surpluses to where needed (ie Scotland/Wales to South east and East). but the locals will complain about the pipes and the envirnomental lobby objects in case a newt is accidently moved in the process. and its raining now, so you dont need it, right? imagine trying to build another reservoir in the south east these days - where? who would allow it? let insist they replace all the old leaky pipes, but dont allow any digging up the roads.

Valid concerns of course, but it stops anything happening. See also airports, rail, road, stadiums, housing...
 
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Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,884
Guiseley
Nope, there are extreme climates within those countries climates, I would suspect Alps and the Pyrenees effect your averages.

Probably making your averages flawed a little and by the way our weather is very very predictable.

It remains that we are generally battered by the Atlantic, with a conveyor belt of depressions passing over us driven by the jet stream.

We have dry spells and we have wet spells, it's where we live, the averages are not particularly relevant when we have a dry/wet spell over a 4 week period.

Each time a water company 'Environmental Executive' is wheeled out offering a wetter/dryer than normal spell he is bluffing you.

They either need to invest more of their profits if they are telling the truth or more likely just deal with the demand and offer good value for money.

Nope, you and Brixtaan are just miserabilists.
 


Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,397
The arse end of Hangleton
Out of interest, has the ban actually affected anyone adversely ?

It's been a pain watering the stuff in the greenhouse - especially the stuff on the high shelves as I have to take it all out and water it with a watering can and then put it back. That takes about 30 minutes or so compared to 5 with a fine head on the hose.
 




Vegas Seagull

New member
Jul 10, 2009
7,782
France:

Land Area - 674,000 km2
Population - 65,000,000
Population density - 96 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 700 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ratio 7:1

Spain:

Land Area - 505,000 km2
Population - 47,000,000
Population density - 93 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 650 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ratio 7:1

England:

Land Area - 180,000 km2
Population - 52,000,000
Population density - 289 p/km2
Average Rainfall - 840 mm/year
Rainfall to pd ration 3:1

Hope this answers your question, and NO NEED TO SHOUT.

Edit: our weather is also less predictable.

Misleading data Malaga/Marbella area has 18 reservoirs, Southern Water have 4 & still cannot transfer between them with 1 being 100% full for 4 consecutive weekly readings in May (so, in effect, it is THEY who have wasted the most water this spring by just letting any surplus flow away to waste)
 


Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,884
Guiseley
Misleading data Malaga/Marbella area has 18 reservoirs, Southern Water have 4 & still cannot transfer between them with 1 being 100% full for 4 consecutive weekly readings in May (so, in effect, it is THEY who have wasted the most water this spring by just letting any surplus flow away to waste)

No, it's not misleading at all, Malaga/Marbella have 18 reservoirs because they have the SPACE for them and the SPACE for the associated infrastructure, plus the LAND to collect all the water that flows into them.
 


Vegas Seagull

New member
Jul 10, 2009
7,782
No, it's not misleading at all, Malaga/Marbella have 18 reservoirs because they have the SPACE for them and the SPACE for the associated infrastructure, plus the LAND to collect all the water that flows into them.

A little knowledge....in the 70s the co's had to legislate for 3 dry years to meet supply...Some moron reduced the requirement to 1 dry year & guess what all the Water companies sold off the extra capacity land so we are where we are now
 










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