nicko31
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12 years of the Tories, high inflation on helped along by a weak currency.
This is their mess
This is their mess
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But they did, offer 3%?
I think every business worldwide could say corners have been and are being cut and safety is a risk.
But in tough times things need to give, the cash has been splashed like no other Tory government in recent times.
I would have thought the left would recognise this and understand it's time to keep that wallet sealed up.
Sorry, I don't get your point on the last sentence?
- Jan 3, 2012
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The government have put pressure on the employers not to make better offers.
The Government have refused to participate in any talks.
The Government have been suggesting agency staff could be brought in to run the trains…… so what does that say about their attitude to health and safety and the part rail workers play in it.
And I’ve seen it reported that decent numbers of commuters have actually expressed sympathy and support for the strikers.
The Government is DELIBERATELY trying to provoke a fight……… but you’re too daft to see it.
studio150
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I may be a cynic but I believe that Johnson and his Government have effectively encouraged the strike by failing to negotiate seriously to resolve the issues. This is because Johnson sees this as his Thatcher moment, having basked in the spotlight of the war in Ukraine, he now sees this as his break the unions moment, copying Thatcher's on the Miners.
It also suits Johnson as the strike will hog the headlines and keep out his failings, and plays to his party and right wing supporters.
While there is no way that the Union will get anything near an inflation pay increase, their concerns on track safety should be listened to with assurances and solutions agreed.
It also suits Johnson as the strike will hog the headlines and keep out his failings, and plays to his party and right wing supporters.
While there is no way that the Union will get anything near an inflation pay increase, their concerns on track safety should be listened to with assurances and solutions agreed.
Speaking of which, given the government were so up in arms about P&O what have they done to fix that ? Been a while now hasn’t it
oldboyroy
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This is just the start. Others will start striking soon and after hearing many train workers earn minimum wage(drivers excluded) i sympathise with them.
nicko31
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Yes they want the strike and they want don't it resolved. Create a wedge issue that's their game on everything...
- Jan 3, 2012
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It seems to have passed you by that people can’t afford to eat…… while today I heard that the Government is suggesting that any cap on increases in earnings for those in the financial sector should be lifted.
And you want safety concerns to be put to one side? On the railways? Really?
Damn right they will. Filthy unwashed lowlife plebs should shut up and be grateful to their social betters and rich masters (after all we all know the more money you have, the better people you really are), how dare they have the temerity, the sheer bare-faced cheek to stand up for themselves.
Am I doing it right with that, Mouldy? That where you’re at?
Am I doing it right with that, Mouldy? That where you’re at?
I consider this a reasonable question.
The answer is no.
The sad things are these:
1. The workers have some cause for grievance, but not much
2. The union leadership see striking as a tool for facilitatiing confrontation (and The Revolution)
3. The Johnson government see this as an opportunity to justify upscaling anti union laws.
In an idea world, a key sector union would cede the right to strike for some benefits, like favourable pay incrementation compared with other sectors and perhaps more employment protection. This would be sensible because in key industries this would preclude irksome strikes like this one.
The RMT do not appear to want such an arrangement, because it would take away their 'freedom' to strike.
The Johnson government certainly don't, for much the same reason (it benefits tories when nominally publicly owned industry strikes because it justifies in the minds of some (you, perhaps) the idea of privatization and new laws on strikes).
Incidentally, this also means that Johnson does not care about the inconvenience of the strike as it provides him with a law changing opportunity, and the more disruption the better.
Comrade Sam
Comrade Sam
I think it's fantastic someone is fighting against the decline of our standard of living. Inflation has been caused by corporate greed, war, rising fuel costs, a drive to keep profits up and city pay rises. I hope my union and every other union joins the fight. I'm sick of just being a bystander as Boris and his chums feed at the trough and slash their own tax bills. Good luck to all those on strike this week!
Your divisive right wing rhetoric is fooling no one. The strike suits the tories politically... otherwise it would have been avoided.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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fair enough, if Network rail has seen a profit, lets pay the staff more even if that means less investment back into infrastucture. will make the other unions want more, be diffcult to play on profit arguement there.
however. what exactly is the problem with engineers, intelligent, adaptable people by definition, being asked to multi-skill? such an archaic idea. its condescending really, George can only do this job, cant possibly do that job safely? and we can stop dragging this nonsense in to a pay dispute, just be more honest about it.
My feelings as well.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
LamieRobertson
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One of the first singles I bought was Part of the Union by The Strawbs ….not an answer to the question ..good song though
In the same report - network rail boasted record levels of investments including major station works at places like Gatwick, Victoria etc. Imagine reading that , working throughout the pandemic with no furlough etc, not having pay rises then perhaps being offered 3%. While the CEO sits there on £600k.
The thing about change of roles came from someone who works on the railway. If he’s not happy with roles merging and 2000 job losses and are concerned then we should probably listen ? Unless you know what the jobs entail and why it’s a non issue. I’ve heard the workers side but the government haven’t said why they think it’s ok ?
So people with left leaning values are only allowed to live in mud huts and eat rats, are they?
nicko31
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