Why do YOU think Scholes had a bad game on Sunday??

[CHAPPERS]

Hmmm?

 

[Titanic]

While the ManUre connection doesn't help... it is still pretty fair to say that he had a poor game - or more accurately, a poor second half.

OK - he wasn't helped by the over-defensive performance, especially in the second half - tackling is not exactly his strong suit, after all. And with no midfield to speak of for most of the 2nd half, it was hard to be at all creative when we did get the ball.

Beckham didn't help matters - Gerrard had a similarly poor second half. Lampard at least put himself about a bit, and was probably the most effective of the four.

Scholes - still poor though - and ginger - and a ManUre player.

 

[Kylies Stunt Arse]

Where's the "He didn't, he was quite clearly the best midfielder on show" option?

 

[Icy Gull]

Is you opinion more valid than others then Chappers because you are backed up by your NSP toadies ? For what's it's worth I thought he played ok but I'd give far more credit to King and Campbell as Zidane, who you say was marked out of the game, managed to put plenty of balls past this magnificent ginger player. The fact that the French forwards didn't latch onto them had more to do with the defenders than the midfield.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Is you opinion more valid than others then Chappers because you are backed up by your NSP toadies ? For what's it's worth I thought he played ok but I'd give far more credit to King and Campbell as Zidane, who you say was marked out of the game, managed to put plenty of balls past this magnificent ginger player. The fact that the French forwards didn't latch onto them had more to do with the defenders than the midfield.

Now that IS a valid point and one worthy of discussion but it's also the first one that I've seen on the subject of Scholes IMHO. To say ZZ was marked out of the game may have been a bit over the top but he was certainly kept very quiet and I think Scholes had more to do with that than most even though he shouldn't have been anywhere near him (that was Beckhams job).

This thread is tongue in cheek, my opinion is no more valid than anyones (except GGs over the top knee jerk ones) but I just found it astounding that Beckham and Gerrard were getting very little stick compared to Scholes who played well.

 

[Kylies Stunt Arse]

Is you opinion more valid than others then Chappers because you are backed up by your NSP toadies ? For what's it's worth I thought he played ok but I'd give far more credit to King and Campbell as Zidane, who you say was marked out of the game, managed to put plenty of balls past this magnificent ginger player. The fact that the French forwards didn't latch onto them had more to do with the defenders than the midfield.

Was the "NSP toadies" aimed at me? Sorry I didn't punctuate my original post with or any other smilies so you could tell it was meant to be sarcastic.

FWIW I thought that Scholes had a reasonably good game. He gave Cole plenty of help and linked well with the rest of the midfield and the forwards. He was certainly more effective in open play than Beckham, and Gerrard was a lot more withdrawn than usual, although that was more to do with the formation and tactics I think.

MOM for me though was King. I thought he did fantastically well when he was under so much pressure to perform.

 

[Vinyl Richie]

Is you opinion more valid than others then Chappers because you are backed up by your NSP toadies ? For what's it's worth I thought he played ok but I'd give far more credit to King and Campbell as Zidane, who you say was marked out of the game, managed to put plenty of balls past this magnificent ginger player. The fact that the French forwards didn't latch onto them had more to do with the defenders than the midfield.

He wasn't as 'outstanding' as King and Cambell but in my opinion he was our best midfielder by a way and it's just a tad frustrating to see slanderous comments aimed at him when they're not just.

It's the whole 'kick him while he's down'/'easy target' scenario just because he hasn't scored since June 2001. I bet if he played rubbish and scored most people would have been praising him.

I am a toady so shouldn't take sides but I thought the majority thought Scholes played well and didn't deserve special critism above any other midfielders (namely Gerrard and Becks)

Great player. Unbelievable vision.

 

[Hannibal smith]

Some people on here must have been off their faces watching this game if they believe Scholes is to blame. And as for James. HE COULDN'T PICK IT UP IT WAS A BACK PASS THAT'S WHY HE WENT IN FEET FIRST. Do you really think he wouldn't have used his hands otherwise?

Beckham was half a yard off the pace and had a poor game, especially by his standards.
Gerrard made a back pass which even I wouldn't have attempted.
Owen was non-existent and like Beckham half a yard off the pace.
Heskey shouldn't have made the tackle - In fact he shouldn't have been on (Why was Rooney off the pitch?)

To blame Scholes or James is just a vendetta. Jones and Oatway get the same treatment on here as well due to reputation regardless of how well they actually play.

All in all it was a good performance at stopping the French play - How many shots did they have other than the 2 in the last 2 minutes? However, barring Rooney and set pieces our creativity level was low and our ball retention poor. My worry is that against the Swiss they will put 10 men behind the ball and we wont find a way through. If we cant beat the Swiss though we don't deserve to be in the last 8 anyway. I do believe though that Sven is happier with his teams performance in defeat than say Trapottoni's in getting a draw. They made the Danish look like world beaters.

 

[Icy Gull]

The Toadie comment wasn't aimed at anyone in particular and was meant tongue in cheek as an alternative to lizards

 

[CHAPPERS]

This whole 'tongue in cheek' lark is most confusing.

 

[Kylies Stunt Arse]

Ah righto.

 

[Vinyl Richie]

we're so good!!! Imagine Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard AND Beckham ALL firing on all sylinders... World beaters!!

I was well impressed by our performance, I reckon we could go all the way

Played very well and lost. That happens. Get over it and smash the Switz on my birthday!!! woo

 

[Brovion]

Some people on here must have been off their faces watching this game if they believe Scholes is to blame. And as for James. HE COULDN'T PICK IT UP IT WAS A BACK PASS THAT'S WHY HE WENT IN FEET FIRST. Do you really think he wouldn't have used his hands otherwise?

Yes. He SHOULD have picked it up as then France would only have had a free-kick as opposed to a penalty. I know it would have been in the area, but how many times do you see attackers score from those? At the very worst it would have been the 'safer' option. He didn't think quick enough..

 

[CHAPPERS]

Well looking forward to thursday, it's gonna be BRILLIANT!

 

[Hannibal smith]

Yes. He SHOULD have picked it up as then France would only have had a free-kick as opposed to a penalty. I know it would have been in the area, but how many times do you see attackers score from those? At the very worst it would have been the 'safer' option. He didn't think quick enough..

Fair point but I'm sick of reading about James being to blame. If it had been Phil Neville making the back pass to say Gordon Banks, the blame would have been 100% Neville, 0% Banks. England players get sterotyped by the tabloids and many people dont watch what happens but blame the easy targets.

 

[FG aka Football Genius.]

all im saying is 3 years is a very long time to wait for ginger to score!!!!!!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

he was better than gerrard

 

[Publius Ovidius]

So

The shun shines out of my arse does it?

I'll remember that when I am handing over my tent tonight

 

[CHAPPERS]

Re: So

The shun shines out of my arse does it?

I'll remember that when I am handing over my tent tonight

In a nice way like.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

whatever