readingstockport
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Zeitgeist said:
You right, sorry. 2 heart attacks, one in his flat one on the way to hospital.
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Where now for Blair? (For leftie activists only)
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You right, sorry. 2 heart attacks, one in his flat one on the way to hospital.
m20gull
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I'm not sure that New Labour feed off the apathy of the electorate. The policies of the Labour party are decided at conference by a college of unions, MPs and members. The Labour party has it in its power to dictate a socialist agenda but does not because it knows it won't be elected. The SNP is lucky to have a single issue to add to its manifesto which it knows will be popular. It still struggles against the Labour Party at Westminster.
The Tories don't seem to be feeding too well either. All that is happening is the similarity of the two main parties is allowing fringe and single issue parties to dominate the scene. Where will the Stop the War coalition be gaining its support at the election after this one?
God knows where politics is heading but in a domcracy eventually the people have the final word. Ask Marie Antoinette.
The Tories don't seem to be feeding too well either. All that is happening is the similarity of the two main parties is allowing fringe and single issue parties to dominate the scene. Where will the Stop the War coalition be gaining its support at the election after this one?
God knows where politics is heading but in a domcracy eventually the people have the final word. Ask Marie Antoinette.
alan partridge
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I shudder to think what you charged her for thenlooney said:
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Smith used to "bag Munroes" (climb high mountains in Scotland) and he began climbing them again after a first heart attack in 1993. The second one in 1994, was indeed at home in bed in his London flat. I attended the funeral service in Morningside ... very emotional.
His death was a huge loss to the Labour Party and British politics.
Blair came to power after a pact with Gordon Brown, which Mandelson and Nick Brown were instrumental in. There were rumours in the party at the time that Gordon Brown had had a gay relationship and if this came out it would ruin the Party at a time when it believed it could regain power. Bare in mind this was a few years before both Nick Brown and Mandy came out of the closet. A lot of pressure was put on Gordon Brown to support Blair on the understanding that when the time was right Blair would step aside and Gordon would become leader.
His death was a huge loss to the Labour Party and British politics.
Blair came to power after a pact with Gordon Brown, which Mandelson and Nick Brown were instrumental in. There were rumours in the party at the time that Gordon Brown had had a gay relationship and if this came out it would ruin the Party at a time when it believed it could regain power. Bare in mind this was a few years before both Nick Brown and Mandy came out of the closet. A lot of pressure was put on Gordon Brown to support Blair on the understanding that when the time was right Blair would step aside and Gordon would become leader.
readingstockport
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I'd heard that rumour as well from someone who I would normally have believed to be a reliable source. PPC for labour, friend of certain journalist ex-leaders of the NUS who are 'close' to labour.
alan partridge
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looney said:
Ah yes! Goes well with your credit card number
Scoffers
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I reckon we should ban all politicians and let 'Headphones' run the country.
Headphones for Prime Minister
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The nature of politicians is that sooner or later, they'll let you down - it's just a matter or time. The way I see it, it doesn't really matter who is in government.
Headphones for Prime Minister
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The nature of politicians is that sooner or later, they'll let you down - it's just a matter or time. The way I see it, it doesn't really matter who is in government.
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looney said:Trilateral Commission
Never heard of it. Got any links please.
But people will only take so much .... the backlash, when it comes wil be awesome
It was, it was called the 80's.
Try this link for loads on Bilderberg and the Trilateral Commission:
http://www.bilderberg.org/1999.htm
eastlondonseagull
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Has anyone ever asked poor old Neil Kinnock what he thinks of Bliar? He must be fuming that Thatcher's step-son's in charge of the country 
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readingstockport said:
There's a guy called Rick Anderson (a former Labour activist), who used to work with Nick Brown and was at the meeting which determined Blair and Brown's fate. He used to have loads of evidence .... but haven't seen him for six or seven years. There's another guy called Bernie Savage - former Labour organiser from somewhere like Norwich or Ipswich who also has buckets of info and evidence ...
eastlondonseagull said:Has anyone ever asked poor old Neil Kinnock what he thinks of Bliar? He must be fuming that Thatcher's step-son's in charge of the country
I doubt he is 'fuming' about anything - he is on a FAT PAYCHECK for his trip on the Euro gravy train - along with his wife's FAT PAYCHECK from the Euro gravy train - and allegedly his son's FAT PAYCHECK from the Euro gravy train too!
Losing the General Election and leadership of the Labour Party was the best thing that ever happened to the Welsh Windbag!
Just found a nice article about the Kinnock family... dated 2002, so all the figures are probably 50% out of date by now!!
"Kinnock is paid £139,000 as a Commissioner. His wife Glenys gets £55,118 as an MEP. His daughter-in-law, Helle, a Danish MEP gets £40,000. Both women benefit from generous expenses worth over £115.000 a year. Even his son, Stephen, though not employed directly by the EU, is employed by the British Council’s Brussels office to win EU contracts. It does not stop there. Kinnock himself gets £24,000 for a housekeeper, £7,000 for entertaining and a chauffeur-driven car. He was also able to use a dodge to salt away some of his salary in Britain at completely arbitrary and advantageous exchange rates. "
"Kinnock is paid £139,000 as a Commissioner. His wife Glenys gets £55,118 as an MEP. His daughter-in-law, Helle, a Danish MEP gets £40,000. Both women benefit from generous expenses worth over £115.000 a year. Even his son, Stephen, though not employed directly by the EU, is employed by the British Council’s Brussels office to win EU contracts. It does not stop there. Kinnock himself gets £24,000 for a housekeeper, £7,000 for entertaining and a chauffeur-driven car. He was also able to use a dodge to salt away some of his salary in Britain at completely arbitrary and advantageous exchange rates. "
And here's another one... with updated figures - OK it's from the Daily Mail - but it 2004 and I guess has a grain of truth to it.
"Mr Kinnock is paid more than £160,000 a year in his job. He receives a £24,000-a-year house-keeping budget for his three storey home in Brussels, a £7,000-a-year entertainment budget and has use of a chauffeur driven limousine.
His 59-year-old wife is paid more than £70,000 a year as an MEP and can claim more than £100,000 a year in expenses.
The tax payer also pays for the couple's son Stephen, who works for the British Council in Brussels. His wife, Helle, is a Danish MEP. The allegations on expenses were made by Austrian, MEP Hans-Peter Martin, who claims Mrs Kinnock is one of the most prolific offenders.
He says she has left the parliament within an hour of signing the register on at least 26 occasions"
Nice 'work' if you can get it!
"Mr Kinnock is paid more than £160,000 a year in his job. He receives a £24,000-a-year house-keeping budget for his three storey home in Brussels, a £7,000-a-year entertainment budget and has use of a chauffeur driven limousine.
His 59-year-old wife is paid more than £70,000 a year as an MEP and can claim more than £100,000 a year in expenses.
The tax payer also pays for the couple's son Stephen, who works for the British Council in Brussels. His wife, Helle, is a Danish MEP. The allegations on expenses were made by Austrian, MEP Hans-Peter Martin, who claims Mrs Kinnock is one of the most prolific offenders.
He says she has left the parliament within an hour of signing the register on at least 26 occasions"
Nice 'work' if you can get it!
eastlondonseagull
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Fairplay, but he fought in how many general elections? And lost them all. Must still be a bit galling to see right-wing Tone in power, doing such a terrible job.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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The truly pathetic thing is that B.Liar's Iraq bullshit was utterly transparent from the start. Which is why a million people with an IQ higher than their shoe size protested at being taken for saps. 'Not In My Name' (remember the placards)
All the things now coming to pass as a big surprise to people who really should have seen through the scam at the time - not least of all the elected MPs - were well and truly documented on NSC by the anti-War faction at the time. Such as:
- Iraq had no connection to 9/11
- Iraq had no WMDs
- B.Liar and Bush were going to invade Iraq to effect regime change for the sake of US oil interests no matter how flimsy the pretext
- Leading opponents of the war were smeared in a bid to silence them (e.g. George Galloway, Massive Attack's Robert Del Naja)
Like it said in the Mirror this morning: All of the innocent (BBC Director General, Andrew Gilligan, David Kelly) have lost their jobs or are dead, while all of the guilty (Alastair Campbell, Jack Straw, Tony B.Liar) are doing well for themselves.
These fcukers will appear in a War Crimes Tribunal yet.
All the things now coming to pass as a big surprise to people who really should have seen through the scam at the time - not least of all the elected MPs - were well and truly documented on NSC by the anti-War faction at the time. Such as:
- Iraq had no connection to 9/11
- Iraq had no WMDs
- B.Liar and Bush were going to invade Iraq to effect regime change for the sake of US oil interests no matter how flimsy the pretext
- Leading opponents of the war were smeared in a bid to silence them (e.g. George Galloway, Massive Attack's Robert Del Naja)
Like it said in the Mirror this morning: All of the innocent (BBC Director General, Andrew Gilligan, David Kelly) have lost their jobs or are dead, while all of the guilty (Alastair Campbell, Jack Straw, Tony B.Liar) are doing well for themselves.
These fcukers will appear in a War Crimes Tribunal yet.
Gilliver's Travels
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Tom Hark said:
If only...
It's the sheer lack of any global accountability mechanism that led me to put this thread up in the first place. We all know Bush and Blair lied. So does the media. But there's nothing we can do about it, except replace Blair next year with some other clone equally beholden unto America's interests. Depressing...
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BensGrandad
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In his younger days didn't Blair try forselection to two safe Tory seats and was turned down.
Indefatigable
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Blair should be ashamed of himself. I hope the analysis of this latest report is correct and there is the rope in there to hang him with.