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Way of the future INTERNET TAX !!



REDLAND

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Jul 7, 2003
9,443
At the foot of the downs
Germany has become the first country in the world to tax private personal computers that are deemed to be "Internet-capable".

The plan, long in the offing, was agreed in Berlin by the Conference of Prime Ministers of the Federal States of Germany on October 8. It is being billed as part of the expansion of the television and radio public services fee, which is administered by Germany's Radio and Television Licensing Authority and enforced by the universally despised Gebühreneinzugszentrale (GEZ), which often resorts to controversial and illegal Gestapo-like methods of gathering information on private citizens.

The new tax was originally planned to come into effect on January 1, 2007. That date still holds for businesses and large corporations, but private households will be forced to register their PCs before the deadline of March 31, 2005. Owners must then pay 17.03 euros a month for their PC unless they are already complying with the full GEZ tax for a registered television and radio.

The decision has provoked howls of protest from the nation's estimated one million Internet users who have eschewed the trashy sensationalism and state propaganda associated with the public broadcasters ARD and ZDF, both of which argue that their websites constitute a public service that Internet users are accessing free of charge. Technically speaking, they say in addition, anyone with an Internet-capable PC (whether actually connected to the Internet or not) can theoretically watch their broadcasts.

"With the same argument, the public broadcast services can demand from me a fee for the existence of my briefcase, because in principle it may contain an ARD television magazine that provides free viewing tips," says Arndt Groth, President of the Federal Association of Digital Businesses (BVDW). Groth's comments, among others, have had lawyers frantically scanning the German Constitution for loopholes (notwithstanding the fact that the constitution, along with the Federal Republic of Germany itself, technically ceased to exist as a legal document on July 17, 1990).

Undaunted by the criticism that Germany is effectively nationalising private telecommunications in much the same way as Hitler did during his long reign of terror and in a style reminiscent of the taxes imposed on typewriters by the Communist Party in the former totalitarian German Democratic Republic, the Federal Minister for Culture, Christiane Weiss, has also signalled her intention of subjecting Internet-capable mobile phones to the new tax.

"Cultural sovereignty is not to be interfered with," she warned owners of PCs and mobile phones who may consider taking the matter to the European Courts. In a lengthy communications directive issued at the end of September, she defended the massive state subsidies to public broadcasters against advocates of a more free-market approach to the German media, implicitly threatening the EU's monopoly regulator with non-cooperation should a hearing be convened.

Tax-weary citizens who fail to pay the GEZ imposition or register a television or radio are liable to pay crippling fines amounting to thousands of euros and even face lengthy prison sentences. By law, individuals and businesses resident in Germany must register every television, video-recorder, DVD-player, radio, car radio and radio alarm-clock that they own, regardless as to their state of repair.

That list will surely grow longer once hectored members of the public have been goose-stepped into registering their personal computers and mobile phones for fear of the GEZ knock on the door.
 






Marc

New member
Jul 6, 2003
25,267
for the sweet lips of mother for all that is good and pure......NO TAX ON THE 'NET :angry:

Shocked by this, certainly something to worry about as no doubt it'll creep its way into the EU then the UK will have to follow as Bicth Blair has to save face :angry:
 


Wardy

NSC's Benefits Guru
Oct 9, 2003
11,219
In front of the PC
And some people want us to join a european super state and be subjected to this kind of crap all the time :nono:
 








Smithers-Jones

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Mar 26, 2004
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Eltham
Seriously though, if it does get passed through, then you can bet your house on B Lair and Brown adopting something similar.
:angry: :angry:
 






Wardy

NSC's Benefits Guru
Oct 9, 2003
11,219
In front of the PC
Smithers-Jones said:
Seriously though, if it does get passed through, then you can bet your house on B Lair and Brown adopting something similar.
:angry: :angry:


Though it looks like it only for people who dont have a TV licence. I am assuming that the TV licence system is differnt over there. Over here we all have a TV licence anyway.

What worries me more is that it is a way of tracking what you are up to. If you have to have a licence to own a computer, they know who as computers, next they will pass a law quietly that says they can use this information for other things such as tracking crime and before you know it they have key-loggers checking everything you do.
 


Jul 5, 2003
12,644
Chertsey
Wardywonderland said:
And some people want us to join a european super state and be subjected to this kind of crap all the time :nono:

grrr

The EU will now have a president and a foreign minister in addition to its parliament, supreme court, civil service, flag and anthem. Is it not therefore a state?

No, though some say it sounds like one. These institutions have limited powers and some sound grander than they are. Take the "president", for example. The EU in fact already has three "presidents" - of the Council of Ministers, the Commission and the European Parliament. What is new is that the Council Presidency, a post currently held by one member state for six months, will become a permanent position. But the powers of the president will be limited. He or she will be an EU spokesman but will not have excecutive powers like those of the US or French presidents.
 


Rangdo

Registered Cider Drinker
Apr 21, 2004
4,779
Cider Country
Well I never thought I'd see the day. A porn ta... I mean internet tax.
 




Marc

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Jul 6, 2003
25,267
Rangdo said:
Well I never thought I'd see the day. A porn ta... I mean internet tax.

bollocks didnt think of it that way, a tax for watching my PORN!??! :angry: bastards :angry:
 


Rangdo

Registered Cider Drinker
Apr 21, 2004
4,779
Cider Country
CrabtreeBHA said:
bollocks didnt think of it that way, a tax for watching my PORN!??! :angry: bastards :angry:

That would mean you would have to watch extra porn (if thats possible) to get better value for money.
Government enforced porn watching. Cool :smokin:
 
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Marc

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Jul 6, 2003
25,267
aahh so there IS a bonus too it afterall :lolol:
 




Rangdo

Registered Cider Drinker
Apr 21, 2004
4,779
Cider Country
Perhaps it's a conspiracy to keep us all occupied. What could they be up to?
 


Marc

New member
Jul 6, 2003
25,267
reminds me of the classic NOFX song about Government and porn:

Vanilla Sex:

Don’t ever take away from me my pornography
We obviously don’t agree on what’s obscene
I have the right to choose what i
Want to see and read
Don’t try to take away from me
My tight to privacy what i
Do is no one business but me
So stay in your missionary position
I hope that you got bored to death
There’s no way I’m going thru life
Having vanilla sex
The governments trying to get in
Your bedroom you better lock you
Door and close you shades because
There could be someone watching you today
Why do you try to make things illegal
Why do we have to be 21
Are you afraid that people are having
Too much fun
Why do you care what I do in my bedroom
Why do you want to know how I screw
It seems to me you’ve got nothing better
To do.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,863
Rangdo said:
Perhaps it's a conspiracy to keep us all occupied. What could they be up to?

Thats my usual theory when a Government releases some daft proposal that everyone knows will never be accepted: What else did the Government do, or whats happened today?
 


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