Vince Cable has his finger on the button apparently... (Merged)

[ewe2]

The last waltz beckons i feel !

 

[Stoaty Ferret]

Yeah I'm sick to death with people having a pop at Murdoch. I mean what has has he ever done wrong?

 

[larus]

There is a combination of the AV vote and Council elections in 2011. Poor results for the Liars Party could have interesting knock on effects on their party unity.

I'm trying to work out which party you mean by the Liars party?

 

[larus]

23.3 billion borrowed in November = largest ever borrowed in November in any year

Well, this can't be down to the coalition as they haven't increased spending. Down to 'New' Labour, or should I say 'same old' Labour.

 

[simonsimon]

So Vince is carrying a nuke in his briefcase.
Apparently one word from him and his resignation from the Cabinet could bring the Coalition down. I think David Cameron will see this as one of his problems in Cabinet on the way out. You can’t say one thing in public and something else privately and be part of collective responsibility. His leak that the Government is looking at cancelling winter fuel payments is likely to be a bit of a hot potato though given that we are presently going through one of the worst cold snaps ever and the effect this would have on our senior citizens would be extremely adverse.

 

[Tooting Gull]

If this had been the News of the World, everyone would have been up in arms about 'honeytrap journalism'. It's a great story, but it's incredible how the Telegraph have basically aped the Screws, and yet somehow it is deemed more respectable for them.

As Pavilionaire says, the agenda is obvious from the Telegraph, they want a Tory majority. Cameron may be privately delighted, but I do wonder if there was another election tomorrow whether the Conservatives would do better. They could easily do worse. A lot of Labour/Libdem waverers are never going to vote for Clegg's lot again, and they'll vote Labour next time.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Straight swop here i reckon Cable out & Laws in. As to next years local election where A/V will be voted on before the tuiton fees shambles i felt the Lib/Dems would win a change to the voting system,can't see that happening now.

 

[clapham_gull]

Loving this.

More to come apparently....

Can I be first to coin the phrase "vinnie-leaks"

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

This true and it may be that those seen as being outside the coalition have better chances. I can certainly see Simon Hughes surviving in Bermondsey and I bet Charlie Kennedy stays on but I don't fancy Nick Clegg or Danny Alexander's chances - unless they change seats.

Not sure - Clegg represents the poshest part of Sheffield (yes, there is a bit; Crookes, Fulwood, Dore, Totley, all in the same area), which used to be staunchly Tory. I can't see that area falling to Labour and the type of professional living in that area is not likely to go back to the Tories. Alexander apparently has a large personal vote in Inverness, but I can see quite a lot of Lib Dems in marginals falling; Eastbourne's Labour support in Hampden Park may re-emerge, also in places such as Cheltenham, Taunton, etc. Lib Dem success in these areas is largely based on squeezing Labour support down to virtually nothing: Ed will tell you that Labour was once strong in Lewes for example (didn't Labour get 37% of the vote in Newhaven in the County Council election of 1985?). Northern and university-dominated seats they have won from Labour like Manchester Withington, Bristol West and Cardiff Central and Norwich South will probably go back to them. Of course, being a smaller party, splits show far more in the Lib Dems than in the other two. For example, Milliband and Johnson can't even agree on a policy for tuition fees and many Tories do not agree with Ken Clarke, but hardly anyone notices.

 

[16bha]

"Vince Cable will stay in Cabinet"

I think he should come out.

 

[The Modfather]

This bloke has absolutely 0 credibility, how many people on here were lording him as the peoples hero, how wrong they were, spineless ****!!

I would hardly call him spineless for taking on Murdoch. Stupid, maybe, because its a fight he cannot win. Interesting that the decison regards Murdochs takeover of BSkyB now rests with a tory and not a Lib dem

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

What a year Cable has had. The sun was shining out of his arse this time last year.

 

[Don Quixote]

Has Cameron bottled it?

 

[clapham_gull]

More secretly recorded back stabbing from other Lib Dem MPs expected tomorrow.

Now officially libby-leaks.

 

[clapham_gull]

Has Cameron bottled it?

Nope - he's in the funny situation that if he sacks him, he loses power (at the moment)

 

[keaton]

The Telegraph has f***ed up ethically if you ask me. Posing as constituents at a surgery is very questionable, especially as they probably prevented actual constituents from meeting with the MP over real problems

 

[Gwylan]

Not sure - Clegg represents the poshest part of Sheffield (yes, there is a bit; Crookes, Fulwood, Dore, Totley, all in the same area), which used to be staunchly Tory. I can't see that area falling to Labour and the type of professional living in that area is not likely to go back to the Tories. Alexander apparently has a large personal vote in Inverness, but I can see quite a lot of Lib Dems in marginals falling; Eastbourne's Labour support in Hampden Park may re-emerge, also in places such as Cheltenham, Taunton, etc. Lib Dem success in these areas is largely based on squeezing Labour support down to virtually nothing: Ed will tell you that Labour was once strong in Lewes for example (didn't Labour get 37% of the vote in Newhaven in the County Council election of 1985?). Northern and university-dominated seats they have won from Labour like Manchester Withington, Bristol West and Cardiff Central and Norwich South will probably go back to them. Of course, being a smaller party, splits show far more in the Lib Dems than in the other two. For example, Milliband and Johnson can't even agree on a policy for tuition fees and many Tories do not agree with Ken Clarke, but hardly anyone notices.

Maybe. But my point is that if you're an anti-Tory voter, then why vote Lib Dem which supports the Tory government. The reason I think that Hughes would be safe is that he picks up the anti-Labour vote in Bermondsey (he also gets a lot of people who would vote Labour but vote for Hughes because he's an excellent, hard-working MP). In Tory marginals, I'm not sure that's the case - there'll be people who won't vote LibDem again because of the coalition. That's my guess though, I think the next election will be fascinating.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Silly man. Calling a spade a spade there is no way ever, ever, EVER that you would have a Lib Dem party running this country. EVER.

It will always be Tory, Labour or a mix with some Lib Dems thrown in to make up the numbers like now.

Their only real chance of power (albeit limited), whats that we fans sing? 1-0 and you f***ed it up...

 

[glasfryn]

I'm trying to work out which party you mean by the Liars party?

probably all of them!

Well, this can't be down to the coalition as they haven't increased spending. Down to 'New' Labour, or should I say 'same old' Labour.

I assume you are joking?

I do wonder if Clegg now wishes he had gone the other way ,would have suited many replace Brown and the softer approach whereas now come the next election desolation for him and his party

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

I do wonder if Clegg now wishes he had gone the other way ,would have suited many replace Brown and the softer approach whereas now come the next election desolation for him and his party

Would have depended on the SNP and Labour getting on with each other. As anyone who lives in Scotland could tell you, they hate each other's guts.