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Villa offer to trial return of terraces
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SeagullSongs
And it's all gone quiet..
So if the North currently holds about 2800, how many do you think that would allow to stand? 3200? 3500?
Of course one criterion of standing terraces would be only a certain number of tickets allowed. The main reason the Hillsborough disaster happened was because more people were there than there should have been.
Of course one criterion of standing terraces would be only a certain number of tickets allowed. The main reason the Hillsborough disaster happened was because more people were there than there should have been.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Liverpool should have been given the Kop end at Sheffield-imo
Seasider78
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- Nov 14, 2004
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The problem is people directly link the hillsborough tragedy with terracing when in fact that has proved to be caused by very poor crowd control
Any motions to bring this back at this time when the justice campaign is high on the media agenda will simply be sidelined as too sensitive to discuss
It's sad because there is a demand for this and as countless festivals, concerts and German football matches show if you get it right crowds can stand safely
Any motions to bring this back at this time when the justice campaign is high on the media agenda will simply be sidelined as too sensitive to discuss
It's sad because there is a demand for this and as countless festivals, concerts and German football matches show if you get it right crowds can stand safely
Publius Ovidius
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Not a snowflakes chance in hell that would ever happen at the amex
Ali_rrr
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This, especially as the seats are padded and must have cost loads already, there's no way TB will want to do this.
SeagullSongs
And it's all gone quiet..
Imagine how soft and padded the terraces would be!
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Half the north stand is already a standing area. We might as well make the whole stand a standing area. Standing is better. No one sings sitting down do they let's face it. You want a better atmosphere etc. bring back standing!
Dortmund have my favourite stadium in the world these days. Their standing section is INCREDIBLE!!!!
Dortmund have my favourite stadium in the world these days. Their standing section is INCREDIBLE!!!!
SeagullSongs
And it's all gone quiet..
29000 standing on a single terrace isn't it?
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25k! The stadium capacity goes from 80k to 65k for champs league and internationals though so I guess it's 10k for them... and all seated.
25k! The stadium capacity goes from 80k to 65k for champs league and internationals though so I guess it's 10k for them... and all seated.
Pretty pink fairy
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when we get relegated
Super Steve Earle
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Great news if it means the sitters among us can have their seats back at away games. Might even be tempted back to one myself!
tgretton87
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- Jul 30, 2011
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Very true but we can but dream.
mikeyjh
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Derby also backed it some time back Derby County Nigel Clough pro safe standing - Safe Standing Roadshow.co.uk
I was always a bit dismissive, thought it would never happen, pie in the sky etc, but could it really become reality? it would be absolutely brilliant. If you're too young to remember proper terracing, you don't know what you're missing.
I was always a bit dismissive, thought it would never happen, pie in the sky etc, but could it really become reality? it would be absolutely brilliant. If you're too young to remember proper terracing, you don't know what you're missing.
Birdie Boy
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http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-proposal/the-proposal---continued-2
Standing to seating ratios
The Green Guide also compares the amount of space required for seated and standing spectators respectively. As a guide for the lower leagues where standing areas are permitted, it specifies a ratio of 18 standing fans for every 10 spectators in seats. At many grounds in Germany the ratio is similar (2:1 at TSG 1899 Hoffenheim and VfB Stuttgart, for instance).
A number of German stadia using hi-rail seats currently do so in areas of the ground with gradients of 15.3, 21.3 and 24 degrees (as pictured on the right in the 'away' fans section of the Rhein Neckar Arena, home of TSG 1899 Hoffenheim in Germany). Installation of hi-rail seats in compliance with Green Guide gradient limits is thus clearly possible.
So, what the gradient of the North and South stands at the Amex?
Standing to seating ratios
The Green Guide also compares the amount of space required for seated and standing spectators respectively. As a guide for the lower leagues where standing areas are permitted, it specifies a ratio of 18 standing fans for every 10 spectators in seats. At many grounds in Germany the ratio is similar (2:1 at TSG 1899 Hoffenheim and VfB Stuttgart, for instance).
A number of German stadia using hi-rail seats currently do so in areas of the ground with gradients of 15.3, 21.3 and 24 degrees (as pictured on the right in the 'away' fans section of the Rhein Neckar Arena, home of TSG 1899 Hoffenheim in Germany). Installation of hi-rail seats in compliance with Green Guide gradient limits is thus clearly possible.
So, what the gradient of the North and South stands at the Amex?
mikeyjh
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I don't think there's any danger of it topping the 25 degree limit!! Suspect it would be down at the 15 degree level. I've only sat in the south stand but it really is very shallow....
I think the conclusion of the Hillsborough will allow the idea to move forwards - NOBODY can say that it was standing that caused the deaths, or that the behaviour of fans when standing at football is likely to be harmful to safety.
We need to remember that this is not a plan to return to 'traditional' terracing, so there won't be the crowd surges or not having your feet on the floor moments. It would be great to see, but expensive for clubs to put in for a financial gain that would only come from food/drink sales as income from ticket sales would stay about the same - I doubt people will pay the same for standing as for seats so prices would have to come down slightly.
We need to remember that this is not a plan to return to 'traditional' terracing, so there won't be the crowd surges or not having your feet on the floor moments. It would be great to see, but expensive for clubs to put in for a financial gain that would only come from food/drink sales as income from ticket sales would stay about the same - I doubt people will pay the same for standing as for seats so prices would have to come down slightly.
I think the conclusion of the Hillsborough will allow the idea to move forwards - NOBODY can say that it was standing that caused the deaths, or that the behaviour of fans when standing at football is likely to be harmful to safety.
We need to remember that this is not a plan to return to 'traditional' terracing, so there won't be the crowd surges or not having your feet on the floor moments. It would be great to see, but expensive for clubs to put in for a financial gain that would only come from food/drink sales as income from ticket sales would stay about the same - I doubt people will pay the same for standing as for seats so prices would have to come down slightly.
We need to remember that this is not a plan to return to 'traditional' terracing, so there won't be the crowd surges or not having your feet on the floor moments. It would be great to see, but expensive for clubs to put in for a financial gain that would only come from food/drink sales as income from ticket sales would stay about the same - I doubt people will pay the same for standing as for seats so prices would have to come down slightly.
Some other noddy outfit have today thrown their "weight" behind the campaign
The Football Supporters' Federation - Crystal Palace back Safe Standing Campaign
The Football Supporters' Federation - Crystal Palace back Safe Standing Campaign