[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[vegster]

Straight to the crux of the Nation's ongoing various economic crises, International law breaking, ongoing investigations, upcoming investigations, criminal acts and resulting Tory meltdown thread. Starmer's integrity [emoji106]

It its worked though as usual, no one talking about massive council losses or the fact that perma Blue councils have shifted to red.....gives Johnson the weekend off and kicks his can down the road again.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

And probably many more would have survived!

Unlikely

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It its worked though as usual, no one talking about massive council losses or the fact that perma Blue councils have shifted to red.....gives Johnson the weekend off and kicks his can down the road again.

Tories got destroyed in 2018(?) in local elections and the Tories have an 80 seat majority. Local elections are a nothing sadly

 

[clapham_gull]

Tories got destroyed in 2018(?) in local elections and the Tories have an 80 seat majority. Local elections are a nothing sadly

I agree historically, but something quite alarming happened to the Tories round here in Wandsworth. In the middle of a cost of living crises voters quite happy to potentially throw away the lowest council tax in the country to send a message to the Government. Cake and eat it voters who will quite happily elect a Labour MP and a Tory Council.

There may be other factors though, younger voters moving in for instance.

Also voters savvy to the fact that The Tories have effectively given up on London. They quite clearly injected the worst candidate in living memory to fight the mayoral elections.

The last thing Johnson wants obviously is an effective Tory Mayor. It sums up the cynicism of the current regime in Westminster.

 

[Medwayseagull]

Tories got destroyed in 2018(?) in local elections and the Tories have an 80 seat majority. Local elections are a nothing sadly

This year is largely the repeat cycle from 2018 and they have lost hundreds more seats. Without the core issue of Brexit gone and the cost of living the "big issue" they are clearly in a very different position.

 

[A1X]

I agree historically, but something quite alarming happened to the Tories round here in Wandsworth. In the middle of a cost of living crises voters quite happy to potentially throw away the lowest council tax in the country to send a message to the Government. Cake and eat it voters who will quite happily elect a Labour MP and a Tory Council.

There may be other factors though, younger voters moving in for instance.

Also voters savvy to the fact that The Tories have effectively given up on London. They quite clearly injected the worst candidate in living memory to fight the mayoral elections.

The last thing Johnson wants obviously is an effective Tory Mayor. It sums up the cynicism of the current regime in Westminster.

It allows them and their mates to push the notion of "privileged, do-gooder London full of champagne socialists and rich people not interested in the concerns of REAL PEOPLE outside the M25 as they down quinoa by the barrel load". Ignoring that London is a city which has some of the lowest rates of poverty in western Europe and a cost of living many times higher in magnitude to other places.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-christmas-party-fines-b2074081.html

Fresh fines being handed out for the Christmas party 18/12/20 at Downing Street.

 

[TomandJerry]

More than 2 million adults in the UK have gone without food for a whole day over the past month because they cannot afford to eat, according to a survey revealing the “catastrophic” impact of the cost of living crisis.

The latest survey of the nation’s food intake shows a 57% jump in the proportion of households cutting back on food or skipping meals over the first three months of this year, with one in seven adults (7.3 million) estimated to be food-insecure, up from 4.7 million in January.

But the Tories keep saying it would be silly to help

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[Blue Valkyrie]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-christmas-party-fines-b2074081.html

Fresh fines being handed out for the Christmas party 18/12/20 at Downing Street.

The trouble is Operation Save Big Dog has successfully nobbled any criticism by Starmer for a while so if one of the fines is for Johnson then the Crime Minister just gets away with it.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

The trouble is Operation Save Big Dog has successfully nobbled any criticism by Starmer for a while so if one of the fines is for Johnson then the Crime Minister just gets away with it.

Risky plan though, surely? Is Starmer resigns over something more akin to work than any of Big Dogs then he has no out.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Risky plan though, surely? Is Starmer resigns over something more akin to work than any of Big Dogs then he has no out.

It's starting to look like a concerted effort from some very influential people who are more scared of the possibility of Starmer getting elected than Johnson going and one of his cabal replacing him, but surely nobody would fall for that

 

[Randy McNob]

 

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[dsr-burnley]

It's starting to look like a concerted effort from some very influential people who are more scared of the possibility of Starmer getting elected than Johnson going and one of his cabal replacing him, but surely nobody would fall for that

I doubt there is anyone scared that Starmer is the man who can win an election. They might be more scared that Boris can lose it and proving that Labour are just as hypocritical as the Tories is a good way to stop him, but the personality that is Starmer isn't something that frightens anyone.

 

[dsr-burnley]

More than 2 million adults in the UK have gone without food for a whole day over the past month because they cannot afford to eat, according to a survey revealing the “catastrophic” impact of the cost of living crisis.

The latest survey of the nation’s food intake shows a 57% jump in the proportion of households cutting back on food or skipping meals over the first three months of this year, with one in seven adults (7.3 million) estimated to be food-insecure, up from 4.7 million in January.

But the Tories keep saying it would be silly to help

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If that's true, then there's a bigger issue than shortage of money. How can in 1 in 22 adults be unable to afford 55p for a loaf of bread and a pot of jam? I can see it could happen occasionally, but how can 4.6% of the population get into such a state? Is it that they have little or no education, or that they are so far into debt, or just that there really are so many people with no income at all from either jobs or benefits?

Food now, or at least last year when I saw the report, costs 8% of the average household budget. In the 1950's it was 33%, and no food banks. Is it only poverty that's causing the issue, or are there other elements involved?

 

[highflyer]

Live by the sword die by the sword.

Starmer has ballsed this up big time (despite all those assurance I had on here that with him instead of Corbyn as leader Labour would be 20 points ahead. Ahem)

The decision to focus on the partygate bollocks, and attempting to pull down Johnson, instead of putting forward a coherent, inspiring vision and agenda of their own was never one I admired. And now it looks like it may backfire. The media has, once again, succeeded with their 'all as bad as each other'/plague on all their houses narrative, which (along with the stupidity of labour remainers and the Lib Dems) got Johnson into power and will keep him there for a while yet I suspect. FFS.

 

[A1X]

Live by the sword die by the sword.

Starmer has ballsed this up big time (despite all those assurance I had on here that with him instead of Corbyn as leader Labour would be 20 points ahead. Ahem)

The decision to focus on the partygate bollocks, and attempting to pull down Johnson, instead of putting forward a coherent, inspiring vision and agenda of their own was never one I admired. And now it looks like it may backfire. The media has, once again, succeeded with their 'all as bad as each other'/plague on all their houses narrative, which (along with the stupidity of labour remainers and the Lib Dems) got Johnson into power and will keep him there for a while yet I suspect. FFS.

Have I missed something? Last I saw Starmer hasn't been fined for anything?

 

[highflyer]

Have I missed something? Last I saw Starmer hasn't been fined for anything?

It's the opportunity to imply equivalence that matters. Not actual equivalence.

Last I saw, Cobyn wasn't anti-semitic. Or pro-terrorist. But he did enough (or had done enough in the past) to open those lines of attack and the damage was done.

Most of the press don't like the left and politics isn't fair.

That's how it works. How it has always worked. and I think there's been naivity in Starmer's camp to get him into this position. Cancelling events today to avoid difficult questions is not a good look.

They key here is not what Starmer did, or didn't do. Or whether he should resign. It's that attention has been successfully deflected from the local election results. And thus Johnson will be feeling much more comfortable again.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's the opportunity to imply equivalence that matters. Not actual equivalence.

Last I saw, Cobyn wasn't anti-semitic. Or pro-terrorist. But he did enough (or had done enough in the past) to open those lines of attack and the damage was done.

Most of the press don't like the left and politics isn't fair.

That's how it works. How it has always worked. and I think there's been naivity in Starmer's camp to get him into this position. Cancelling events today to avoid difficult questions is not a good look.

I think it is eminently sensible to avoid trial by media. I hope it backfires on the media.

 

[rippleman]

I think the sea change in Worthing has been down to a few factors. The demographic profile of Worthing has changed with people moving from London and Brighton to bring up families, meaning the Conservatives can't rely on the retired vote anymore. The local Labour Party had increased membership under Corbyn - this is not to repeat arguments about him, just stating a statistical fact - so we had a large pool of people to draw Councillors and activists from.

Locally the Conservatives leaned towards large vanity projects that didn't need doing such as Brooklands, Montague Place and Portland Road when they could have taken the money and spent a bit improving local parks and public spaces. Portland Road has become quasi-pedestrianised but has pavements so isn't great for wheelchair users and they had to put temporary ramps up.

People never believe this but the only party leader who gets constantly mentioned on the doorstep is Boris Johnson, especially since Partygate. The change in fortunes for Labour started under Corbyn and has continued under Starmer so I think people are more focussed on local issues.

Finally in the last 12 months the local Conservatives have hit the self destruct button. One of their Councillors was an entryist from a Fascist group and they tried playing the man instead of the ball this campaign with some quite shocking, and false, attacks on Labour and it's supporters.

We actually made inroads in wards we would never have considered a possibility such as Salvington. This could only be the start of something.

I noticed that in all the Labour gains in Worthing, the turnout was over 40%. Not too shabby at all.

The local Labour Party (of which I presume you are one) deserve huge credit in getting the vote to turn out in the Wards that mattered.

ETA And I totally agree with you with the money being frittered away by the incumbent Tories. Portland Road is a shocking shambles and why they have painted white wobbly lines over Monague Place is anybody's guess. Meantime the roads and pavements are in a shocking mess.