Pevenseagull
meh
- Jul 20, 2003
- 20,445
Jesus wept.
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
- Thread starter TomandJerry
- Start date
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,357
There are a couple of very simple facts that explain why we are where we are with refugee numbers crossing the channel increasing hugely over the last few years. If you are incapable of acknowledging or addressing these simple facts then I am afraid your opinion is completely without validity (the quality of being logically or factually) and is therefor, pointless 
Sorry
This Government closed the option for claiming asylum while abroad in September 2011. For decades we always had asylum schemes where people could claim asylum, whilst abroad, get their claims processed and get allowed in if their claim was valid. Nearly 12 years ago we stopped accepting Asylum requests from abroad and insisted the person had to be in the UK.
As a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, the UK fully considers all asylum applications lodged in the UK. However, the UK’s international obligations under the Convention do not extend to the consideration of asylum applications lodged abroad and there is no provision in our Immigration Rules for someone abroad to be given permission to travel to the UK to seek asylum. The policy guidance on the discretionary referral to the UK Border Agency of applications for asylum by individuals in a third country who have not been recognised as refugees by another country or by the UNHCR under its mandate, has been withdrawn. No applications will be considered by a UK visa-issuing post or by the UK Border Agency pending a review of the policy and guidance.
20 September 2011
https://freemovement.org.uk/does-the-uk-consider-asylum-applications-made-from-abroad/
(Although, prior to Brexit, we were still part of Dublin II covering asylum within the the EU until just over 2 years ago when we ceased to operate under EU rules).
More recently we have closed every legal asylum scheme forcing anyone who wants to claim asylum (and due to the above, has to be in Britain to claim) to go to people smugglers and get put in boats to cross the English Channel.
"Unless we provide a safe route, we are complicit with the people smugglers"
Whether you believe that we have arrived at this point by incompetence or design, is up to you
SorryThis Government closed the option for claiming asylum while abroad in September 2011. For decades we always had asylum schemes where people could claim asylum, whilst abroad, get their claims processed and get allowed in if their claim was valid. Nearly 12 years ago we stopped accepting Asylum requests from abroad and insisted the person had to be in the UK.
As a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, the UK fully considers all asylum applications lodged in the UK. However, the UK’s international obligations under the Convention do not extend to the consideration of asylum applications lodged abroad and there is no provision in our Immigration Rules for someone abroad to be given permission to travel to the UK to seek asylum. The policy guidance on the discretionary referral to the UK Border Agency of applications for asylum by individuals in a third country who have not been recognised as refugees by another country or by the UNHCR under its mandate, has been withdrawn. No applications will be considered by a UK visa-issuing post or by the UK Border Agency pending a review of the policy and guidance.
20 September 2011
https://freemovement.org.uk/does-the-uk-consider-asylum-applications-made-from-abroad/
(Although, prior to Brexit, we were still part of Dublin II covering asylum within the the EU until just over 2 years ago when we ceased to operate under EU rules).
More recently we have closed every legal asylum scheme forcing anyone who wants to claim asylum (and due to the above, has to be in Britain to claim) to go to people smugglers and get put in boats to cross the English Channel.
"Unless we provide a safe route, we are complicit with the people smugglers"
Whether you believe that we have arrived at this point by incompetence or design, is up to you
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,826
that seems at odds with the narrative the migrant comes to UK because family/language/cultural links. now its because they've been told the relative merits of each countries asylum process. does this mean the policies to deport to 3rd countries, make their claim automatically fail are valid and will work, because the smugglers will pass on this information? i dont think so, but thats the inference.
Nobby
Well-known member
- Sep 29, 2007
- 2,867
Depends what reasons they have for coming here.
They don’t, they take a lot more migrants than us.
It’s £500m. FFS. They’d have probably done it for free if we were in the EU!
OK. This isn't directly the government's fault but what the hell?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...c-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears
The BBC has been so cowed by the government that it daren't broadcast uncomfortable facts on terrestrial TV. The episode containing facts about species depletion in the UK will be relegated to iPlayer. They're so scared that they're sidelining Attenborough?
Education now appears to be too uncomfortable for the very right wing. This is some terrifying shit.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...c-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears
The BBC has been so cowed by the government that it daren't broadcast uncomfortable facts on terrestrial TV. The episode containing facts about species depletion in the UK will be relegated to iPlayer. They're so scared that they're sidelining Attenborough?
Education now appears to be too uncomfortable for the very right wing. This is some terrifying shit.
It’s not funny in anyway. That’s tax payers money they are wasting on gammon-culture wars that should be being spent on things like pay increases for nurses or on reducing record breaking NHS treatment waiting times.Goes to France to “negotiate a way to help each other”
Comes back with a £500,000,000 bill for a detention centre in France.
Priceless.
The BBC has been compromised by Tory involvement.
In 50 years time there's only going to be one question asked:-
"What the f**k was wrong with you people?"
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Yes, sidelining Attenborough. He's only been with them for ... what is it ... seven decades. And now he's deemed too dangerous for the British public.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Hmmm. Who's next?
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
- 11,490
The other day I was in the department, at work that listens to Radio 2, with Jeremy Vine at the helm.
Some racist had text in to say:-
'If they can stop the boat people invading I will vote Tory next time'.
Hell and handcarts - we are rotten to the core.
Some racist had text in to say:-
'If they can stop the boat people invading I will vote Tory next time'.
Hell and handcarts - we are rotten to the core.
Wokeworrier
Active member
Indeed, the idea that any migrant travelling across numerous safe European countries to reach the UK or people trafficking gangs, would be deterred by a tiny chance of being returned via the Dublin agreement is laughable. Even.more amusing, In 2018
there were 1,215 transfers into the UK under the Dublin Regulation. There were 209 transfers out of the UK under the Dublin Regulation.
Unfortunately some people are obsessed with blaming the Tories and/or Brexit for absolutely everything ...
rogersix
Well-known member
- Jan 18, 2014
- 8,185
i was just thinking that myself, is this silly or scary?
did the beeb ask the government, or did they just think, it might upset someone, so just in case...........
members of the government, unable to accept reality? scary shit indeed
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Since then though, no need to choose, you can try in France or Germany for asylum, and if that fails, get to the UK and try again.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,826
yeah thats fair point. though wonder if they fail there what likelihood they have success here.