[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Lever]

Yes, of course Johnson and the Government made mistakes, but to say he ignored all the advice he was given is wrong.

His biggest 'mistake' was to tell such a torrent of lies that no one could ever trust his word or judgement..... apart from the terminally gullible of course. He behaved as if it was all a big game.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Maybe not (thank f—k) but there are a lot of faux outrage merchants around the place.
I still can’t get too exercised about it. I am sure many of our elected politicians mutter all kinds of ‘horrible things’ under their breath all the time!
Talking about insults reminds me of Churchill’s retort to Nancy Astor or was it Bessie Braddock, involving drink and ugliness. Now that was class

I suspect that you have a point. I wouldn't call the outrage faux, but the level of opprobrium will depend on one's initial disposition towards Johnson. I have to say that having followed his treacherous deceitful career and personal life for some time, I wasn't likely to ever give him the benefit of any doubt. It seems my judgement has proven to be correct, too.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Yes, of course Johnson and the Government made mistakes, but to say he ignored all the advice he was given is wrong.

A significant number of mistakes and the only time they acted on advice was when they had no other option. Criminally negligent on multiple counts.

 

[lawros left foot]

Liar, liar, pants on fire!

 

[rogersix]

NSC, enough to make even an elected politician flounce

forgive my ignorance, unfortunately i missed it; what did happen to SF?

 

[rogersix]

Well, we were discussing Covid times and decisions that is why I made my remark re Johnson. As for Trussterfuk, thankfully, Mad Liz wasn’t around long enough to completely wreck the economy, but she did have a good go.
The main point I was making was that our elected representatives should be the decision makers and as I said in a previous post, they have to weigh up the bald advice given to them by the ‘boffins’ and set that against all the other factors involved……jobs, the economy, mental health, education, social cohesion etc. No easy task for a Government of any political colour. For instance, there are still discussions being had today about the closing down of schools which quite possibly caused more harm to the youngsters involved than Covid did.

i thought you meant there should be no enquirery, which i consider an odd viewpoint

 

[BLOCK F]

i thought you meant there should be no enquirery, which i consider an odd viewpoint

Good heavens no. I have never held that view.

 

[BLOCK F]

I said he never acted immediately on advice that obviously required an immediate response, which is tantamount to ignoring it when you consider the consequences.

This is not a simply mistake, or judicious caution. It was phenotypical dithering, with catestrophic consequences.

You may have noticed I like an analogy. Imagine being advised that it is likely to shit down with rain for the next few days. Would it make sense to make a commitment to bring the laundry in off the washing line in a day or so? (This is a 'low impact' analogy after one I made the other day that invoked Adolf Hitler wasn't met with universal approval.)

Anyway, I don't think either of us have any time for Johnson so we don't really need to discuss what grade of **** he is

Indeed, I have no time for Johnson, but whilst he was mainly engaged in writing newspaper columns, I didn’t take much notice of him. As London Mayor, he ap to spaffed cash on some vanity projects that bit the dust, but he was probably no more harmful than Ken Livingstone or Sadiq Khan, the latter mentioned, I cannot stand.
Yes, he is a high grade ****, on that we can agree.

 

[BLOCK F]

I suspect that you have a point. I wouldn't call the outrage faux, but the level of opprobrium will depend on one's initial disposition towards Johnson. I have to say that having followed his treacherous deceitful career and personal life for some time, I wasn't likely to ever give him the benefit of any doubt. It seems my judgement has proven to be correct, too.

Actually, the above post of mine was in connection with James Cleverly”s shit house remark and nothing to do with Johnson.
Yes, I know Johnson is a shit house!

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Is Stockton North a shit hole or not? I don’t know, I cannot recall ever going there.
Yes, whatever ‘Not so’ said, he shouldn’t have said it, but hey, shit hole shouldn’t come as too much of a shock to us NSC’ers, it is often used (or similar language) on here to describe places we’ve been to and grounds we don’t like.
I can’t get shock horrored about it I’m afraid.

Yeah., because an internet forum and the Houses of Parliament are almost identical places

 

[Thunder Bolt]

‘Totally ignore all and any advice given to them.’
Not strictly true, Watford, or did I imagine lockdowns, masks, social distancing, closure of businesses, schools, etc.?
You don’t have to exaggerate to make clear your low regard for this Government. Plenty of people agree with you, including me.
PS. I’m not sure the country ever decided we no longer needed experts. By the way, cast your mind back to the 2019 election , the choice was between Johnson and Corbyn, neither the ideal candidate for PM. Just imagine if Corbyn had been PM , he could have employed his nutty brother Piers as a Covid adviser. That would have ended well, wouldn’t it!

Whereas Penny Mordaunt, if elected as Tory leader, could employ her brother in child protection!

 

[BLOCK F]

Yeah., because an internet forum and the Houses of Parliament are almost identical places

Light hearted remark GB, but hey, this is NSC and you are only allowed to hold one political viewpoint on here.
Before anyone has a go, I am only joking…… I think.

 

[BLOCK F]

Whereas Penny Mordaunt, if elected as Tory leader, could employ her brother in child protection!

Another light hearted remark by me re the eccentric Covid denying Corbyn brother.
Alas, it has fallen on stony ground. Not a surprise on an NSC political thread.

 

[abc]

there are a lot of faux outrage merchants around the place.

On NSC? Surely not!?

 

[BLOCK F]

On NSC? Surely not!?

Ha ha, there certainly are, but only when it suits their own viewpoint.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Another light hearted remark by me re the eccentric Covid denying Corbyn brother.
Alas, it has fallen on stony ground. Not a surprise on an NSC political thread.

It was a dig and you know it. I didn’t like Jeremy Corbyn either, but I wouldn’t use his brother’s actions against him.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, of course Johnson and the Government made mistakes, but to say he ignored all the advice he was given is wrong.

Missing three Cobra meetings by the Prime Minister is evidence of ignoring advice.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Indeed, I have no time for Johnson, but whilst he was mainly engaged in writing newspaper columns, I didn’t take much notice of him. As London Mayor, he ap to spaffed cash on some vanity projects that bit the dust, but he was probably no more harmful than Ken Livingstone or Sadiq Khan, the latter mentioned, I cannot stand.
Yes, he is a high grade ****, on that we can agree.

I'm not sure any of the London Mayors have been harmful, even Johnson. When push comes to shove they have neither the budget nor powers to do anything too daft. Boris never built his (whatever it was - massive bridge with a park on it? Or was that Khan?).

In the annoying but largely trivial arena, none of them have declared London a nuclear free zone (again), made anti-Semitic remarks (while still mayor) or taken credit* for a bike scheme that was created (though not quite implemented) by his predecessor.

*Oh, hang on. As you were.

 

[BLOCK F]

I'm not sure any of the London Mayors have been harmful, even Johnson. When push comes to shove they have neither the budget nor powers to do anything too daft. Boris never built his (whatever it was - massive bridge with a park on it? Or was that Khan?).

In the annoying but largely trivial arena, none of them have declared London a nuclear free zone (again), made anti-Semitic remarks (while still mayor) or taken credit* for a bike scheme that was created (though not quite implemented) by his predecessor.

*Oh, hang on. As you were.

Well, Khan upset a few, including Starmer I believe, with his ULEZ extension. Probably ok with some of the Lefty Metropolitan sort, but a bit of a blow to those who cannot afford compliant vehicles and have to travel into those areas for work.
Yes, I know the arguments in favour, and in an ideal world everyone wants less pollution, but was this a fair decision?
The fancy bridge garden thingy was a Johnson fantasy, I think.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm not sure any of the London Mayors have been harmful, even Johnson. When push comes to shove they have neither the budget nor powers to do anything too daft. Boris never built his (whatever it was - massive bridge with a park on it? Or was that Khan?).

In the annoying but largely trivial arena, none of them have declared London a nuclear free zone (again), made anti-Semitic remarks (while still mayor) or taken credit* for a bike scheme that was created (though not quite implemented) by his predecessor.

*Oh, hang on. As you were.

Johnson closing 10 fire stations and losing 552 firefighter, selling off the land was pretty harmful, especially when Grenfell happened three years later.

Boris Johnson slashed fire services - and told Labour rival to 'get stuffed'

He cut 552 firefighters and closed 10 stations

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