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Toads Hole Valley
- Thread starter CHAPPERS
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Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
The owners don't want to sell.
It's in the same AONB as Waterhall.
Access ain't great.
(If memory serves - I could be wrong about the AONB)
It's in the same AONB as Waterhall.
Access ain't great.
(If memory serves - I could be wrong about the AONB)
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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To be fair, it is a good site for a major development, but has no rail link and as Curious Orange point out, the owner wouldnt sell. Thats a fairly major point when considering land development. i cant believe THV, the greayhound stadium and station where even put forward for this renewed inquiry for this reason alone.
Lammy
Registered Abuser
Doesn't Toad's Hole Vally have several owners anyway? They would make more money using the space for office development.
Would seem so Yes Chappers, also found this:
Toad's Hole Valley has already been the subject of the refusal of permission for a stadium, at the time of the closure of Goldstone Ground.
This site, next to and south of the A27, is wholly undeveloped and has never been allocated for development in any local plan.
A significant part of the site is "best and most versatile" agricultural land, while land at the western edge is designated as a Site of Nature Conservation Importance.
There's concern about the affect on local residents - there's not potential for dual use car parking or any possibility of a railink.
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And this:
Subject: SchNEWS 436, Friday 9th January, 2004
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:48:14 -0000
Toad's Hole Valley cleanup (Brighton)
The Phantom Conservation Volunteers and the Friends of Toad's Hole are organising their first clean-up event of Toads Hall Valley this Sunday (11th). They want to show that it is a much loved space that must be in the new South Downs National Park and not developed as an industrial estate. Bring own tools if possible. For transport meet St Peters Church, Brighton 10am
Toad's Hole Valley has already been the subject of the refusal of permission for a stadium, at the time of the closure of Goldstone Ground.
This site, next to and south of the A27, is wholly undeveloped and has never been allocated for development in any local plan.
A significant part of the site is "best and most versatile" agricultural land, while land at the western edge is designated as a Site of Nature Conservation Importance.
There's concern about the affect on local residents - there's not potential for dual use car parking or any possibility of a railink.
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And this:
Subject: SchNEWS 436, Friday 9th January, 2004
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:48:14 -0000
Toad's Hole Valley cleanup (Brighton)
The Phantom Conservation Volunteers and the Friends of Toad's Hole are organising their first clean-up event of Toads Hall Valley this Sunday (11th). They want to show that it is a much loved space that must be in the new South Downs National Park and not developed as an industrial estate. Bring own tools if possible. For transport meet St Peters Church, Brighton 10am
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this from the South Downs Conservation Board:
http://www.vic.org.uk/pro/agen/plan agen mar04/agenda item 6.htm
TR5 Park and Ride. The Board had no objection to the principle of the policy as originally drafted, but objected to the lack of specific statement that a park and ride scheme in the Sussex Downs AONB would not be acceptable. The policy was changed in the Second Deposit Draft to include a criterion excluding sites north of the A27, but as this still left sites such as Toads Hole Valley and Hangleton Bottom, which are in the AONB, as potential park and ride sites, the Board maintained its objection. The Inspector has concluded ‘the Second Deposit Draft sensibly rules out a location in the precious downland area north of the A27. I see no point in identifying specific “no-go” areas south of the A27 in a criteria-based policy such as this’ and has recommended only minor changes to the policy.
2.31 The Inspector’s conclusions on the Falmer and Village Way sites are particularly pertinent in his consideration of an objection to the non-allocation of Toads Hole Valley for high-tech and office accommodation. An extract from his report dealing with this objection is attached to this report as Appendix 3, in which the Inspector considers that this would be the only site in the city likely to attract the commercial market without reservations.
2.32 Whilst he does not find a case for an allocation of all or part of this land in advance of the formal definition of the new National Park boundary, the Inspector considers that it would be wise for the Council to make a formal review of the progress on employment allocations in the Local Plan very soon after that time and to consider whether or not all or part of Toads Hole Valley should be developed. The Inspector also expresses his view that the site should not fall to any other uses than employment.
http://www.vic.org.uk/pro/agen/plan agen mar04/agenda item 6.htm
TR5 Park and Ride. The Board had no objection to the principle of the policy as originally drafted, but objected to the lack of specific statement that a park and ride scheme in the Sussex Downs AONB would not be acceptable. The policy was changed in the Second Deposit Draft to include a criterion excluding sites north of the A27, but as this still left sites such as Toads Hole Valley and Hangleton Bottom, which are in the AONB, as potential park and ride sites, the Board maintained its objection. The Inspector has concluded ‘the Second Deposit Draft sensibly rules out a location in the precious downland area north of the A27. I see no point in identifying specific “no-go” areas south of the A27 in a criteria-based policy such as this’ and has recommended only minor changes to the policy.
2.31 The Inspector’s conclusions on the Falmer and Village Way sites are particularly pertinent in his consideration of an objection to the non-allocation of Toads Hole Valley for high-tech and office accommodation. An extract from his report dealing with this objection is attached to this report as Appendix 3, in which the Inspector considers that this would be the only site in the city likely to attract the commercial market without reservations.
2.32 Whilst he does not find a case for an allocation of all or part of this land in advance of the formal definition of the new National Park boundary, the Inspector considers that it would be wise for the Council to make a formal review of the progress on employment allocations in the Local Plan very soon after that time and to consider whether or not all or part of Toads Hole Valley should be developed. The Inspector also expresses his view that the site should not fall to any other uses than employment.
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D'Angelo Saxon
SW19ULLS
Do Toads live in holes?
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Other than the lack of a rail link, taken on its own merits I think THV would be a good site. Bang next to the A27 and King George V Avenue, next to what is already a built up area (so it wouldn't be a blot on the landscape), and the site itself looks large enough to accomodate the stadium. Its just a piece of open wasteground at the moment.
You'd no doubt get inevitable objections from the residents of King George V avenue as they would be looking down onto the stadium from their houses I suppose. And the fact that there's no rail link goes against government policy on the "sustainable transport" issue, so compared with Falmer, in that respect its a non-starter and will be quickly dismissed at the Inquiry.
You'd no doubt get inevitable objections from the residents of King George V avenue as they would be looking down onto the stadium from their houses I suppose. And the fact that there's no rail link goes against government policy on the "sustainable transport" issue, so compared with Falmer, in that respect its a non-starter and will be quickly dismissed at the Inquiry.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
The Local Plan Inspector thought that THV might be the only available site in Brighton that would be suitable for development at some future date as a high-tech business park (which is an employment use that he saw a need for, even though the City Council hadn't). He therefore recommended that they reviewed its status.ChapmansThe Saviour said:
Toads Hole Valley is in the AONB, but the Countryside Agency recommended that it should not be included in the National Park and that it should lose its AONB status. That conclusion was contested at the National Park Public Inquiry which ended a few weeks ago and the decision hangs in the balance. My expectation is that THV will lose its AONB status.
As for a stadium, just like Sheepcote Valley, transport accessibility is the main drawback - as it was when Bellotti submitted his proposal for a stadium at THV, back in the 1990s. No studies were undertaken at the time, despite Hove Borough Council asking the Club to do so. The Albion will, however, be submitting the results of recent consultants' studies to the Inquiry that re-opens next week.
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ChapmansThe Saviour said:
Where would the Train go? thats the main argument about Sustainable Transport links. You'd need to build an additional Line & Station nearby. I'm pretty sure its in the FA rules of new stadiums need to be within a certain radius of a nearby acceptable station, Reading got away with it because of the Buses they promised (even though that was complete shit after the game this season)
Uncle Buck
Ghost Writer
- Jul 7, 2003
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CrabtreeBHA said:
Could you not create designated bus lanes like they have on the A23 (Preston Road) into Brighton?
Wilts
New member
Just realised that I've posted a similar sort of thread and its discussed on here. Why does a ground need to be near any existing transport links? Many football grounds have relatively poor access, yet it doesn't stop the crowds flocking...
Uncle Buck said:
where though? cant on the A27, theres only 1 road leading into Hove thats 2 lanes wide (apart from the 2lane uphill next to it).
You'll have to ask the FA if its ok for Buses as THV is nowhere near a train station, how Reading got away with I'll never know!
Wilts
New member
CrabtreeBHA said:
Who needs bus lanes?! The Reading buses just join the rest of the traffic...
The FA do not subsidise the buses, the club pays for them. Also, the local council gets involved because on non-matchdays, the Madejski Stadium is used as park and ride to town because parking spaces in the middle of Reading get taken up very quickly due to the amount of work and shopping facilities we have nowadays.