The Rivalry Crystal Palace. A question.

[The tall one]

Hi all

I hope that you can help me. I am interested to learn as to when the rivalry between Brighton and Palace started. I know the song about Boxing Day, but is it true?.Are there any fans out there who like Crystal Palace as well.

 

[¡Cereal Killer!]

Hi all

I hope that you can help me. I am interested to learn as to when the rivalry between Brighton and Palace started. I know the song about Boxing Day, but is it true?.Are there any fans out there who like Crystal Palace as well.

Norman Cook used to be a palace fan

 

[Frutos]

Re: Re: The Rivalry Crystal Palace. A question.

Norman Cook used to be a palace fan

Until he saw the light.

 

[mona]

Brighton and Palace are only rivals because nobody else wants them as rivals.

 

[Rangdo]

Re: Re: The Rivalry Crystal Palace. A question.

Norman Cook used to be a palace fan

I think he was a deaf, blind, mute at the time.

 

[Yorkie]

The seeds of this seemingly unlikely rivalry were sown in a pub at West Street, Brighton, on Christmas Eve, 1975. In response to Palace fans shouting ¿Eagles¿ Albion supporter Lee Phillips started a chant of ¿Seagulls¿.
It caught on when the teams met two months later, prompting Albion to change their nickname from the Dolphins.

The rivalry exploded in the 76/77 season, when the clubs met 5 times. Alan Mullery, then Brighton¿s manager became public enemy number one with Eagles fans.
Four of those matches attracted crowds of 27000 and 30,000 ¿ the exception being an FA Cup first round, second replay at neutral Stamford Bridge, which has gone down in Albion-Palace folklore for a referee branded ¿Challis of the Palace¿ by both sets of fans.
Referee Ron Challis disallowed a Brighton goal for an alleged handball by Peter Ward, although Palace defender Jim Cannon later admitted he had pushed the striker and the goal should have stood. Then Chris Cattlin was fouled in the box by Barry Silkman and Challis awarded Brighton a penalty.
Brian Horton took it and scored, but the referee made him take it again because some of their players had encroached into the box. Alan Mullery said, ¿I¿ve never seen that since ¿ a penalty scored but re-taken because of encroachments by the defending team ¿ and I still don¿t understand it. He took it again, but the keeper (Paul Hammond) saved it. I was diabolical with rage. The penalty was the culmination of a lot of things and it was just one of those nights when the referee gave us nothing¿
Palace held on to win 1-0 and, at the final whistle, a furious Mullery stormed onto the pitch to confront Challis.
¿He wouldn¿t talk to me about it at the time and I never spoke to him about it,¿ Mullery adds. ¿As I walked off, Palace fans were spitting and throwing tea at me so I reacted the same as any manager would have. I stuck my fingers up at them. It was instantaneous, spur of the moment.¿
Although he cannot remember his exact words, it was reported Mullery yelled, ¿You¿re not worth that, Palace!¿ as he threw a handful of notes and coins into a puddle.
Mullery was led away by police and later fined £75 by the FA.

The rivalry became even fiercer as Eagles boss Terry Venables continued to pit his wits against Mullery, his former Tottenham team-mate.
Palace replaced Portsmouth as Brighton¿s biggest derby match during the late 70¿s and the rivalry became enormous. Mullery explains,¿ We were doing the same thing that Palace were doing ¿ getting promotion with a manager in the limelight and big crowds. There were 33,000 at Brighton every home match.¿
Both clubs went up from div 3 in that season of cup controversy ¿ the Seagulls as runners up and Palace in 3rd place.

Brighton gained promotion from Div 3 as runners up & Palace in 3rd place.

Albion missed promotion on goal difference the following season as Spurs went up amid suggestions of a final day carve-up in a 0-0 draw with Southampton, who were also promoted. Palace finished 9th but scuppered Albion¿s chances by drawing both derbies.

Brighton eventually gained promotion to the old First division winning 3-1 at Newcastle on the final day of the 1978-79 season but even then there was a Palace related twist. The Eagles pipped Mullery¿s men to the title by a point as a record crowd of 51,482 watched Venables¿ side confirm their own promotion beating Burnley.
Brighton tore Palace apart in front of 28,000 at the Goldstone on Boxing Day 79, as Ward gave Cannon the run around & Horton exorcised the penalty demon by scoring to make it 3-0.
In 80/81 Brighton did the double over Palace and enabled them to stay up, whereas Palace were left adrift at the bottom of the division by 13 points.

June 81 Mullery resigned after a boardroom row and a year later Ron Noades appointed him Palace manager. Many Eagles fans boycotted the club in protest.

Following the Seagulls 1983 FA Cup final appearance and relegation from the top flight, battle resumed in Div 2 with Brighton winning the next 3 matches but it was a 1-1 draw at Selhurst in April 1985 that added most to the ill feeling between the two sides, when Palace¿s Henry Hughton¿s leg breaking tackle ended Gerry Ryan¿s career.

Brighton¿s relegation in 1987 put a brief stop to the fun and games but back in div 2 88/89 Albion won a 3-1 dingdong on Boxing Day at the Goldstone. Palace got revenge at Easter with a 2-1 win but they missed a golden opportunity to humiliate their rivals. They were awarded 4 penalties but they missed 3.

Kerry Mayo says even at youth and reserve level there is no love lost between the clubs. A youth match in 96 resulted in 3 Palace players, 2 Brighton players, the Palace coach and a spectator were all sent off in a match that Brighton won 2-0.

Many of the meetings in the 70¿s & 80¿s had serious crowd trouble. Ref Ron Challis threatened to abandon a League game in Feb 76 if the Palace fans continued to throw smoke bombs.

The next meeting waited 13 years until Oct 2003. Brighton had escaped from the brink of the Conference to win consecutive Championships back to division 1. Steve Coppell had taken over as Brighton manager after Brighton fans had been serenading him since 1984 with his own song as a Palace manager
Agent Coppell said the Palace fans. The Seagulls did wonder as they watched their team give an inept, spineless performance which extended their losing streak to 12 league games. The score was 5-0 to Palace but the Brighton fans were still singing 6-5 we¿re gonna win 6-5.

It took the dreadful events of 9/11 to extend the olive branch between the clubs. Robert Eaton a Seagull supporter was killed in the attack on the World Trade centre. Brighton fans set up a memorial fund in aid of a youth soccer team in a deprived area of New York. Around £40,000 was raised by matches between the clubs supporters, the first of which inevitably went to penalties. The website for this is www.remf.net


The story so far:-

League
Crystal Palace wins 29
Draws 20
Brighton wins 33

FA Cup
Crystal Palace win 1
Draws 2
Brighton wins 2





First match Brighton 0-2 Palace Dec25th 1920 Div3
Latest match Brighton 0-0 Palace Mar 25th Div 1
Biggest Palace win 6-0 Feb 11th 1950 Div 3 south
Biggest Brighton win 5-0 Jan 14th 1956 Div 3 south


This has been reproduced from an article in 442 magazine.





(these stats were in 2004 and don't include last season)

 

[BensGrandad]

I believe the pub was then called The Bosun.

I once offered some money on the then Kid Jensen Show on Capital Radio Help a London Child if Kid Jensen (Palace supporter)would read out the statistics of who has won what and drawn etc but as we had beaten Palace more times than they had beaten us he wouldnt read it out.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

One of the best accounts of the rivalry was written up by Neil Witherow in The Palace Echo, the CPFC fanzine.

It can be found here:-

http://www.palace-echo.net/bha1.shtml

 

[Buzzer]

and long may the rivalry continue.

My 4 year old son got told off at school for repeating what he heard at the Brighton v Carlisle game - "we hate the Palace scum!"

I gave him a big hug instead

 

[pasty]

Re: Re: The Rivalry Crystal Palace. A question.

Norman Cook used to be a palace fan

Originally posted by Rangdo
I think he was a deaf, blind, mute at the time.

Well that explains the Housemartins

 

[desprateseagull]

isnt there anything on NCS Gold about this ?

 

[smudge]

The mood of the Palace fans was not pleasant, angry at the scoreline and fed up at being so tightly packed onto a tiny corner terrace, when the Brighton fans had the run of the open East terrace. With ten minutes left, a sizeable number stormed out of the terrace, to confront Brighton fans in their own end. The ensuing violence spilled out of the ground into Phoenix Park which played host to several running battles form the best part of half-an-hour. The Sussex Constabulary looked more like the Keystone Kops belatedly chasing the action around the fields.

This is a joke right? Palace in our end; running around "Phoenix Park"?

 

[Col P]

As a child of the 60s I grew up with the 70s team and hated palarse this over the years has mellowed to a healthy rivalry
they are our only true rivals as we are their only true rivals.
When they were in trouble a few years back I put money in into a collection as they would for us if either team went what would the other do?
I always look out for the palarse results as nothing other thanm a brighton win gives me more pleasure than see them lose mondays going into work with a win under our belt I awlays find my palarse work collegues and take the mick big time

 

[Lord Bracknell]

This is a joke right? Palace in our end; running around "Phoenix Park"?

I think someone is confusing an Albion v Palace game with Wimbledon's plans to move from Selhurst to Dublin.

 

[Croydonbloke]

The seeds of this seemingly unlikely rivalry were sown in a pub at West Street, Brighton, on Christmas Eve, 1975. In response to Palace fans shouting ¿Eagles¿ Albion supporter Lee Phillips started a chant of ¿Seagulls¿.
It caught on when the teams met two months later, prompting Albion to change their nickname from the Dolphins.

The rivalry exploded in the 76/77 season, when the clubs met 5 times. Alan Mullery, then Brighton¿s manager became public enemy number one with Eagles fans.
Four of those matches attracted crowds of 27000 and 30,000 ¿ the exception being an FA Cup first round, second replay at neutral Stamford Bridge, which has gone down in Albion-Palace folklore for a referee branded ¿Challis of the Palace¿ by both sets of fans.
Referee Ron Challis disallowed a Brighton goal for an alleged handball by Peter Ward, although Palace defender Jim Cannon later admitted he had pushed the striker and the goal should have stood. Then Chris Cattlin was fouled in the box by Barry Silkman and Challis awarded Brighton a penalty.
Brian Horton took it and scored, but the referee made him take it again because some of their players had encroached into the box. Alan Mullery said, ¿I¿ve never seen that since ¿ a penalty scored but re-taken because of encroachments by the defending team ¿ and I still don¿t understand it. He took it again, but the keeper (Paul Hammond) saved it. I was diabolical with rage. The penalty was the culmination of a lot of things and it was just one of those nights when the referee gave us nothing¿
Palace held on to win 1-0 and, at the final whistle, a furious Mullery stormed onto the pitch to confront Challis.
¿He wouldn¿t talk to me about it at the time and I never spoke to him about it,¿ Mullery adds. ¿As I walked off, Palace fans were spitting and throwing tea at me so I reacted the same as any manager would have. I stuck my fingers up at them. It was instantaneous, spur of the moment.¿
Although he cannot remember his exact words, it was reported Mullery yelled, ¿You¿re not worth that, Palace!¿ as he threw a handful of notes and coins into a puddle.
Mullery was led away by police and later fined £75 by the FA.

The rivalry became even fiercer as Eagles boss Terry Venables continued to pit his wits against Mullery, his former Tottenham team-mate.
Palace replaced Portsmouth as Brighton¿s biggest derby match during the late 70¿s and the rivalry became enormous. Mullery explains,¿ We were doing the same thing that Palace were doing ¿ getting promotion with a manager in the limelight and big crowds. There were 33,000 at Brighton every home match.¿
Both clubs went up from div 3 in that season of cup controversy ¿ the Seagulls as runners up and Palace in 3rd place.

Brighton gained promotion from Div 3 as runners up & Palace in 3rd place.

Albion missed promotion on goal difference the following season as Spurs went up amid suggestions of a final day carve-up in a 0-0 draw with Southampton, who were also promoted. Palace finished 9th but scuppered Albion¿s chances by drawing both derbies.

Brighton eventually gained promotion to the old First division winning 3-1 at Newcastle on the final day of the 1978-79 season but even then there was a Palace related twist. The Eagles pipped Mullery¿s men to the title by a point as a record crowd of 51,482 watched Venables¿ side confirm their own promotion beating Burnley.
Brighton tore Palace apart in front of 28,000 at the Goldstone on Boxing Day 79, as Ward gave Cannon the run around & Horton exorcised the penalty demon by scoring to make it 3-0.
In 80/81 Brighton did the double over Palace and enabled them to stay up, whereas Palace were left adrift at the bottom of the division by 13 points.

June 81 Mullery resigned after a boardroom row and a year later Ron Noades appointed him Palace manager. Many Eagles fans boycotted the club in protest.

Following the Seagulls 1983 FA Cup final appearance and relegation from the top flight, battle resumed in Div 2 with Brighton winning the next 3 matches but it was a 1-1 draw at Selhurst in April 1985 that added most to the ill feeling between the two sides, when Palace¿s Henry Hughton¿s leg breaking tackle ended Gerry Ryan¿s career.

Brighton¿s relegation in 1987 put a brief stop to the fun and games but back in div 2 88/89 Albion won a 3-1 dingdong on Boxing Day at the Goldstone. Palace got revenge at Easter with a 2-1 win but they missed a golden opportunity to humiliate their rivals. They were awarded 4 penalties but they missed 3.

Kerry Mayo says even at youth and reserve level there is no love lost between the clubs. A youth match in 96 resulted in 3 Palace players, 2 Brighton players, the Palace coach and a spectator were all sent off in a match that Brighton won 2-0.

Many of the meetings in the 70¿s & 80¿s had serious crowd trouble. Ref Ron Challis threatened to abandon a League game in Feb 76 if the Palace fans continued to throw smoke bombs.

The next meeting waited 13 years until Oct 2003. Brighton had escaped from the brink of the Conference to win consecutive Championships back to division 1. Steve Coppell had taken over as Brighton manager after Brighton fans had been serenading him since 1984 with his own song as a Palace manager
Agent Coppell said the Palace fans. The Seagulls did wonder as they watched their team give an inept, spineless performance which extended their losing streak to 12 league games. The score was 5-0 to Palace but the Brighton fans were still singing 6-5 we¿re gonna win 6-5.

It took the dreadful events of 9/11 to extend the olive branch between the clubs. Robert Eaton a Seagull supporter was killed in the attack on the World Trade centre. Brighton fans set up a memorial fund in aid of a youth soccer team in a deprived area of New York. Around £40,000 was raised by matches between the clubs supporters, the first of which inevitably went to penalties. The website for this is www.remf.net


The story so far:-

League
Crystal Palace wins 29
Draws 20
Brighton wins 33

FA Cup
Crystal Palace win 1
Draws 2
Brighton wins 2





First match Brighton 0-2 Palace Dec25th 1920 Div3
Latest match Brighton 0-0 Palace Mar 25th Div 1
Biggest Palace win 6-0 Feb 11th 1950 Div 3 south
Biggest Brighton win 5-0 Jan 14th 1956 Div 3 south


This has been reproduced from an article in 442 magazine.





(these stats were in 2004 and don't include last season)

Great article. After your abuse to me yesterday there is no love lost from your side Yorkster.

 

[Yorkie]

That wasn't abuse.
Just normal banter

 

[mona]

I think someone is confusing an Albion v Palace game with Wimbledon's plans to move from Selhurst to Dublin.

Also, Parnell died in Hove.
Brendan's brother, Brian Behan, described Brighton as "Dublin without the priests."
I imagine the Palace correspondent had done a Bishop of Southwark in an Irish pub.

understandable mistake.

 

[Croydonbloke]

That wasn't abuse.
Just normal banter

Just being you was you?!!!!!!!

 

[Yorkie]

Just being you was you?!!!!!!!

I've had far worse from some of you lot.

 

[Icy Gull]

Two teams with 23k plus gates in Division 3 when both were flying and no other team other than Sheff Weds came within 10 k of the gates Palace and Brighton had. The Ron Challis game probably took the rivalry to heights that we may never reach again in the forseeable future.

Great days indeed, although most of the games were shit the atmosphere was electric and losing was at least a week of feeling pissed off, especially at Selhurst when we ran a gauntlet of piss taking from the roadside all the way back