Why is John Terry getting a say?
To me it should be ex managers, current managers and people like Brooking.
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The Players and The England Job
- Thread starter Kinky Gerbil
- Start date
NMH
Banned
Why not? Captain of England team, and about time they asked the players.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Terry couldn't even be arsed to play on Wednesday, so he can stick his views up his totally overrated arse.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
He will be too busy down the local lap dancing club shagging tarts to care about who is the new manager.
NMH
Banned
Wouldn't you?
Tooting Gull
Well-known member
- Jul 5, 2003
- 11,033
Excellent. So we take the players who have collectively put up the most feeble attempt at qualification in living memory, and let them plot the way forward. No, really, that's a brilliant strategy.
Scotty Mac
New member
- Jul 13, 2003
- 24,405
its OBVIOUS isnt it - so they can get a man in who will be there best friend again
scarby
New member
vote should be down to all the england members who pay good money to the fa.
if it goes tits up, then they've only got themselves to blame............... more likely to get behind the manager they voted in aswell.
if it goes tits up, then they've only got themselves to blame............... more likely to get behind the manager they voted in aswell.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Interesting article in today's Observer
The Special One is there for the taking ... provided Barwick phones him up NOW. Fanny around for weeks and the chance will have gone.
Mourinho: Come and get me, England
Duncan Castles
Sunday November 25, 2007
The Observer
Jose Mourinho would find it hard to resist a serious offer to become England's new coach. However, the Football Association will lose the supporters' choice for the job to a major European club if they continue to procrastinate over talking with the former Chelsea manager.
The FA are yet to contact Mourinho directly about the England position in the aftermath of Steve McClaren's failure to qualify for Euro 2008 and subsequent sacking. Though a number of individuals claiming to represent the governing body have called Mourinho's agent, Jorge Mendes, to poll his interest in the position, all inquiries have been deflected.
Mourinho is waiting for a senior member of the FA hierarchy to make direct contact. In contrast to Fabio Capello, who on Friday spoke about his desire to take on the job, the Portuguese has resolved to say nothing publicly until he knows the FA's intentions. He will, however, be disappointed if there is no approach.
Observer Sport first revealed Mourinho's interest in the post on 23 September, four days after his dismissal from Chelsea. Despite reports last week that he had ruled himself out of the running now it is available, his motivation to return to the English game has increased in recent weeks.
Mourinho believes he could extract the best from an England squad regularly labelled world-class despite rarely delivering performances to match. He has also worked with the six current England players at Chelsea and is confident that his preparatory methods and tactical intelligence would have an immediate impact.
Mourinho's family would also welcome a return to England. His daughter, Matilde, asked him not to leave the country when his relationship with Roman Abramovich soured last season. Since returning to Portugal, the 11-year-old has been bullied by a fellow pupil and withdrawn from her private school. The family have also found it difficult to live with press attention far more excessive than they suffered during the majority of their stay in London.
Though he has labelled international management 'an old man's job', saying that he would not consider it until the end of his career, Mourinho regards England as an exceptional case. 'It's special because it's England,' said one of his closest confidants. 'Normally you go to international football when you're older, but with England there is a different motivation, different players. It's a special country with a special culture of football. He would welcome the chance to speak to the FA about this job.'
Key members of Mourinho's coaching team are eager to work in England again. While Mourinho has no doubts about his ability to handle England's football media, he does harbour concerns over tabloid intrusion into his private life. Certain reports in the wake of his departure from Chelsea upset Mourinho's wife and children, and his lawyers recently initiated defamation actions against two Portuguese women in an English court.
He is also not prepared to wait indefinitely for the FA and will take an attractive club opening if it arises before any England offer. Mendes has been asked to ready his client for the potential departures of Bernd Schuster and Frank Rijkaard from Real Madrid and Barcelona. Though Schuster's team are top of the Primera Liga, the German has upset members of Real's hierarchy. Rijkaard, meanwhile, has had a difficult start to the season and his laissez-faire managerial style has been criticised. His assistant, Johan Neeskens, has told friends that he believes the pair will be replaced during the winter break regardless of results before then.
Both positions appeal to Mourinho, who is aware that the 23 December meeting between Real and Barca could open up one or the other. In typically thorough style, he and his coaching staff have begun to devise outline strategies for each club. There have also discussed Juventus, which they consider the most likely Italian side to offer employment before the new year.
The FA have dispensed with the drawn-out double-interview process that led to McClaren's appointment. Instead, they have charged chief executive Brian Barwick with identifying the man he considers best. The 12-man FA Board will then meet to consider Barwick's proposal, checking that he has approached all high-level candidates. FA chairman Geoff Thompson said: 'Brian will make recommendations to the board and it is up to the board to establish who he took advice from before he made the recommendation.'
Noting that England's next international is not until at least February, Barwick has said that there is no need to rush the selection process. Asked if there was a danger of missing out on a candidate of Mourinho's calibre by waiting too long, he said: 'The most important thing is that we get the right person. The length of time it will take will be the length of time to get the right person.'
As in 2006, when he was overruled by other members of the FA's selection committee, Barwick's preference would be to appoint Martin O'Neill. But, despite stating this week that he would make a 'brilliant' England coach, O'Neill yesterday reiterated his commitment to his club. 'It's gone for me, it's absolutely gone,' O'Neill said of the England post. 'I made that clear yesterday. Some of the little comments afterwards were tongue in cheek for a bit of fun, but the serious business of it was there. I've got a commitment here. This is my future. When I came here to Villa there was no obstacle in the way at that time.' Still, members of the FA Board still believe he could be persuaded to take the job.
Luiz Felipe Scolari retains an ambition to become England coach, despite his anger with the way the FA approached him before the 2006 World Cup, and will definitely quit Portugal after Euro 2008. However, Barwick will not countenance an appointment of the Brazilian. 'After last time we wouldn't touch him with a barge pole,' said a senior FA figure.
Jurgen Klinsmann is also interested in the job and has asked friends to further his case, but would require the kind of extensive support team he was granted for Germany's World Cup campaign. There are also question marks in his home country about his ability to coach without Joachim Low, who has stepped up from assistant impressively.
Arsene Wenger has ruled himself out, while advising the FA to appoint another, unnamed, Englishman. 'I don't know who,' Wenger said. 'There are not many candidates because it looks a bit like a crocodile that opens the mouth and says: "Jump into that." Once he's in there, he's eaten. And once you have eaten four, five says: "No, maybe I don't jump in there."'
Last night the FA said they had yet to approach any candidate. Today, more details of the job that will face the new man will emerge at the draw in Durban for 2010 World Cup qualifying. England will be in the second tier of seeds for the first time since the Euro 2004 qualifiers. Scotland are also in the second rank, while Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are in the third. Wales are in the fourth.
The Special One is there for the taking ... provided Barwick phones him up NOW. Fanny around for weeks and the chance will have gone.
Mourinho: Come and get me, England
Duncan Castles
Sunday November 25, 2007
The Observer
Jose Mourinho would find it hard to resist a serious offer to become England's new coach. However, the Football Association will lose the supporters' choice for the job to a major European club if they continue to procrastinate over talking with the former Chelsea manager.
The FA are yet to contact Mourinho directly about the England position in the aftermath of Steve McClaren's failure to qualify for Euro 2008 and subsequent sacking. Though a number of individuals claiming to represent the governing body have called Mourinho's agent, Jorge Mendes, to poll his interest in the position, all inquiries have been deflected.
Mourinho is waiting for a senior member of the FA hierarchy to make direct contact. In contrast to Fabio Capello, who on Friday spoke about his desire to take on the job, the Portuguese has resolved to say nothing publicly until he knows the FA's intentions. He will, however, be disappointed if there is no approach.
Observer Sport first revealed Mourinho's interest in the post on 23 September, four days after his dismissal from Chelsea. Despite reports last week that he had ruled himself out of the running now it is available, his motivation to return to the English game has increased in recent weeks.
Mourinho believes he could extract the best from an England squad regularly labelled world-class despite rarely delivering performances to match. He has also worked with the six current England players at Chelsea and is confident that his preparatory methods and tactical intelligence would have an immediate impact.
Mourinho's family would also welcome a return to England. His daughter, Matilde, asked him not to leave the country when his relationship with Roman Abramovich soured last season. Since returning to Portugal, the 11-year-old has been bullied by a fellow pupil and withdrawn from her private school. The family have also found it difficult to live with press attention far more excessive than they suffered during the majority of their stay in London.
Though he has labelled international management 'an old man's job', saying that he would not consider it until the end of his career, Mourinho regards England as an exceptional case. 'It's special because it's England,' said one of his closest confidants. 'Normally you go to international football when you're older, but with England there is a different motivation, different players. It's a special country with a special culture of football. He would welcome the chance to speak to the FA about this job.'
Key members of Mourinho's coaching team are eager to work in England again. While Mourinho has no doubts about his ability to handle England's football media, he does harbour concerns over tabloid intrusion into his private life. Certain reports in the wake of his departure from Chelsea upset Mourinho's wife and children, and his lawyers recently initiated defamation actions against two Portuguese women in an English court.
He is also not prepared to wait indefinitely for the FA and will take an attractive club opening if it arises before any England offer. Mendes has been asked to ready his client for the potential departures of Bernd Schuster and Frank Rijkaard from Real Madrid and Barcelona. Though Schuster's team are top of the Primera Liga, the German has upset members of Real's hierarchy. Rijkaard, meanwhile, has had a difficult start to the season and his laissez-faire managerial style has been criticised. His assistant, Johan Neeskens, has told friends that he believes the pair will be replaced during the winter break regardless of results before then.
Both positions appeal to Mourinho, who is aware that the 23 December meeting between Real and Barca could open up one or the other. In typically thorough style, he and his coaching staff have begun to devise outline strategies for each club. There have also discussed Juventus, which they consider the most likely Italian side to offer employment before the new year.
The FA have dispensed with the drawn-out double-interview process that led to McClaren's appointment. Instead, they have charged chief executive Brian Barwick with identifying the man he considers best. The 12-man FA Board will then meet to consider Barwick's proposal, checking that he has approached all high-level candidates. FA chairman Geoff Thompson said: 'Brian will make recommendations to the board and it is up to the board to establish who he took advice from before he made the recommendation.'
Noting that England's next international is not until at least February, Barwick has said that there is no need to rush the selection process. Asked if there was a danger of missing out on a candidate of Mourinho's calibre by waiting too long, he said: 'The most important thing is that we get the right person. The length of time it will take will be the length of time to get the right person.'
As in 2006, when he was overruled by other members of the FA's selection committee, Barwick's preference would be to appoint Martin O'Neill. But, despite stating this week that he would make a 'brilliant' England coach, O'Neill yesterday reiterated his commitment to his club. 'It's gone for me, it's absolutely gone,' O'Neill said of the England post. 'I made that clear yesterday. Some of the little comments afterwards were tongue in cheek for a bit of fun, but the serious business of it was there. I've got a commitment here. This is my future. When I came here to Villa there was no obstacle in the way at that time.' Still, members of the FA Board still believe he could be persuaded to take the job.
Luiz Felipe Scolari retains an ambition to become England coach, despite his anger with the way the FA approached him before the 2006 World Cup, and will definitely quit Portugal after Euro 2008. However, Barwick will not countenance an appointment of the Brazilian. 'After last time we wouldn't touch him with a barge pole,' said a senior FA figure.
Jurgen Klinsmann is also interested in the job and has asked friends to further his case, but would require the kind of extensive support team he was granted for Germany's World Cup campaign. There are also question marks in his home country about his ability to coach without Joachim Low, who has stepped up from assistant impressively.
Arsene Wenger has ruled himself out, while advising the FA to appoint another, unnamed, Englishman. 'I don't know who,' Wenger said. 'There are not many candidates because it looks a bit like a crocodile that opens the mouth and says: "Jump into that." Once he's in there, he's eaten. And once you have eaten four, five says: "No, maybe I don't jump in there."'
Last night the FA said they had yet to approach any candidate. Today, more details of the job that will face the new man will emerge at the draw in Durban for 2010 World Cup qualifying. England will be in the second tier of seeds for the first time since the Euro 2004 qualifiers. Scotland are also in the second rank, while Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are in the third. Wales are in the fourth.
Tooting Gull
Well-known member
- Jul 5, 2003
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Read that Observer piece earlier - pretty good take on the situation.
The last week has been a particularly excruciating example of the phoney war you get in these situations.
People list who the candidates are and speculate who will get the gig; journalists ask the managers if they are interested in the job; they, quite properly, downplay it or actually say no, as they are contracted and no offers have been made to them; cue headlines saying they have ruled themselves out.
But all these rejections could be meaningless. They may react very differently when a concrete offer is put to them by the FA, with a £3-4million salary attached.
The last week has been a particularly excruciating example of the phoney war you get in these situations.
People list who the candidates are and speculate who will get the gig; journalists ask the managers if they are interested in the job; they, quite properly, downplay it or actually say no, as they are contracted and no offers have been made to them; cue headlines saying they have ruled themselves out.
But all these rejections could be meaningless. They may react very differently when a concrete offer is put to them by the FA, with a £3-4million salary attached.