[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Jolly Red Giant]

The arrogance of the lifelong socialist. Labour are unpopular because their policies don’t sit well enough with the majority of people and the man tasked with selling them, can’t. Momentum would rather have a ideologically pure party than power. Mostly because the natural default of the left is to side with the underdog.

Momentum are largely a bunch of morons who have little understanding of how to organise politically.

As for Corbyn - he has faced a continuous assault on his political character by the Blairites, the Tories and the media since his election as LP leader - with a constant barrage of lies and innuendo - yet all of them ignore the right-wing diatribes from Tories as if they didn't matter.

If socialist policies were so unpopular and Corbyn was so un-electable then what is the reason for this onslaught of lies against him?

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

That's simply not true though - Labour's key policies poll very well, most commanding the support of over 50% of the population. The problem is that when all people see is a barrage of misinformation from the media, it's difficult for many to form a positive view. Only yesterday we heard that one of Matthew Hancock's team had been punched by a Labour campaigner, we heard that the baby on the floor was fake news (that one is still being peddled) - Of course, neither of these were true but it didn't stop the likes of the Telegraph, Laura Kuenssberg, Robert Peston widely sharing this hogwash....

You beat me to it

 

[BenGarfield]

The Blairites sabotaged the previous election campaign and they have been doing the same to this one (on a quieter scale because of brexit). They have failed to date through a combination of lack of support in the LP and through their own sheer incompetence.

If there was a Blairite/LibDem/SNP majority you would find the Blairites jumping very quickly after the election to impose Remain - but there won't be so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The mistake Corbyn made was not forcing through mandatory reselection of MPs - that would have had the lot of them running for the hills.

Agree. Also the stranglehold the right of the party seem to have on the party`s disciplinary mechanisms so good socialists such as Ken Livingstone, George Galloway and Chris Williamson are thrown under the bus!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Momentum are largely a bunch of morons who have little understanding of how to organise politically.

As for Corbyn - he has faced a continuous assault on his political character by the Blairites, the Tories and the media since his election as LP leader - with a constant barrage of lies and innuendo - yet all of them ignore the right-wing diatribes from Tories as if they didn't matter.

If socialist policies were so unpopular and Corbyn was so un-electable then what is the reason for this onslaught of lies against him?

Again I wouldn’t expect the Tories or the largely right wing media to attack the Tories

Luckily, my local MP, Peter Kyle is towards the centre of the party and, guess what, he attacks the Tories and not Jezza.

This is already starting to sound like paranoid damage limitation by Corbynistas when they should be out and about promoting policies that you think should sell themselves


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[Jolly Red Giant]

Paranoid nonsense.

If Labour’s policies were really popular then they should be polling higher, end of story. On last night’s BBC news Kuenssberg was giving Boris a torrid time. Same with Nick Robinson on Today this morning who slaughtered the poor Tory spokesman who was on about ten past seven. And the BBC News repeatedly showed video of Hancock getting in the car that proved the Tory briefing was lies.

The Telegraph you say? Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they. I doubt you could find me a single Torygraph reader who agrees with Corbyn’s policies.

If the policies were popular they’d be ahead in the polls and that’s that. If you cannot sell / back up nationalisation and free stuff you might as well quit.

I’m not writing this as a Tory either. I’m a hugely frustrated centre left / social liberal. I have been complete abandoned by everyone and all I can do is sit on the sidelines and metaphorically weep as a useless, mendacious, evil clown defaults his way to power past Socialst Grandad.

For the first time in a month the papers have been forced to lead with an issue that demonstrates the arrogance and lack of empathy of the Tories - then the Tories try and deflect by threatening to pull the BBC's licence fee and the main Tory media run with that nonsense rather than the real story.

The time for your so-called 'centre left / social liberal' is long gone - the capitalist economy has no choice but to engage in an all-out class war against the welfare state and the British working class - that fact that you haven't recognised what is taking place demonstrates that you have the wool firmly pulled over your eyes.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Really

They would prefer the lying, cheating, racist, homophobic, anti-semite hat is there at the moment.



The fact that the media, the Tories (and the Blairites) have been spreading lies about Corbyn since he was elected LP leader has nothing to do with it.

Point proven someone else’s fault that people don’t believe Jezza, don’t trust him to deliver and trust Johnson over him - that says it all.

I’m not voting for either, I wish I could vote for labour.

If I do change my mind before Thursday and vote labour it’s to try and achieve a hung parliament

 

[Guinness Boy]

For the first time in a month the papers have been forced to lead with an issue that demonstrates the arrogance and lack of empathy of the Tories - then the Tories try and deflect by threatening to pull the BBC's licence fee and the main Tory media run with that nonsense rather than the real story.

The time for your so-called 'centre left / social liberal' is long gone - the capitalist economy has no choice but to engage in an all-out class war against the welfare state and the British working class - that fact that you haven't recognised what is taking place demonstrates that you have the wool firmly pulled over your eyes.

The arrogance of an Irishman speaking for the British working class is breathtaking


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[Kinky Gerbil]

Again I wouldn’t expect the Tories or the largely right wing media to attack the Tories

Luckily, my local MP, Peter Kyle is towards the centre of the party and, guess what, he attacks the Tories and not Jezza.

This is already starting to sound like paranoid damage limitation by Corbynistas when they should be out and about promoting policies that you think should sell themselves


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Labour don’t expect to win, says it all.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

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To be fair, anyone that publishes material is meant to indicate who has published it.

 

[golddene]

Such a strange election, Boris Johnson could murder a baby and wouldn't seem to make any difference to the election because there seems there might be enough people that want Brexit and believe he can do it.

He can lie, spout racist comments, hide a report into Russian interference into British politics, show he doesn't give a shit about he NHS, not have any costed manifesto, make up fake websites, lie on how many nurses they are trying to employee, lie about how many new hospitals they are building and tried to break the law in parliament.

Incredible times we live in if this moron gets in. Who is voting for them? I don't meet anyone who has a good word to say about the Tories, it must be the bubble I live in, not many OVER 60's or complete cretins in my friendship or work colleagues.

Please do not think all over 60s would fall for this crap, personally, I had voted Labour my entire voting life until 2017, when I tactically voted Lib Dem as they were the only party who wanted to reverse Brexit, unfortunately the candidate won and then decided to go and vote for Brexit in the commons at every turn !
In the constituency where I now live the only choice for election is Tory or Lib Dem as Labour have no chance, so I have to hold my nose, but do I trust that candidate again or not bother voting? I am despairing here, I cannot remember a more disgusting campaign by any Tory party ever ! they have sunk to lows I didn't think they were capable of, I have always held most politicians in high regard as to their honesty and fairness but how anyone can respect them now is beyond belief. The only campaign that comes close to this one is maybe the Brexit campaign from 2016, who led that one??

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I'm genuinely sorry to read that, TB.

Shame that Mouldy Brain can't even offer sincerity, without resorting to a Brexit dig. False platitudes don't sit very well.

Believe it or not, I was being sincere, sometimes things never come across as well in type.

But I was curious why Brexit would lose these jobs.

Sorry to anyone they may be offended.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't post here much anymore, however I know what company you are talking about. I know someone who worked there for 20+ years, and left on the first round of redundancies. They told me at the time, it had nothing to do with Brexit. See you later.

The boss said it was last Thursday. I don't tell lies.

 

[The Clamp]

Come on guys use your head even a true Labour man wouldn't vote for Corbyn.

You all appear to be blind to how dangerous Corbyn would be for our country.

Shame on you all.

Yes, economic chaos.


'Get Brexit done'

I might not like my surgeon but if I needed the operation I’d let him do it.




What? You don’t have your own family surgeon? Pffft.

 

[Lever]

Believe it or not, I was being sincere, sometimes things never come across as well in type.

But I was curious why Brexit would lose these jobs.

Sorry to anyone they may be offended.

For what it's worth I believe you, although the impact of your tactlessness does not fall on me directly. A well placed apology usually goes a long way though.... whoever it comes from.

 

[The Clamp]

Don’t vote Tory. They’re c*nts

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Luckily, my local MP, Peter Kyle is towards the centre of the party and, guess what, he attacks the Tories and not Jezza.

Kyle has spent four years since he was elected attacking Corbyn - the guy is one of the main spokespeople for Progress - the Blairite Billionaire funded pro-EU pro-neo-liberal. Kyle is more right-wing than the Tory he defeated and he got his increased majority in 2017 on the back of the swing in support of Corbyn during the election.

 

[beorhthelm]

That's simply not true though - Labour's key policies poll very well, most commanding the support of over 50% of the population. The problem is that when all people see is a barrage of misinformation from the media, it's difficult for many to form a positive view. Only yesterday we heard that one of Matthew Hancock's team had been punched by a Labour campaigner, we heard that the baby on the floor was fake news (that one is still being peddled) - Of course, neither of these were true but it didn't stop the likes of the Telegraph, Laura Kuenssberg, Robert Peston widely sharing this hogwash....

silly stories about altercations do not stop people voting for Labour, its fluff that probably doesnt register with the vast majority, treat it like so much soap oprea. the two points, that the media turns people away from Labour, and that the policies are very popular, do not square. what is it that the media can tell people to make them turn away from the policies? there are two realistic answers, the cost or the presentation from the politicans. or both. cant really keep blaming the media for 20%+ loss of interest in policy, because if that really is the case, need to up the media game.

 

[BensGrandad]

The only thing that I hope for is that everybody gets out and votes as you cannot complain if you didnt and that the outcome is that a party, hopefully not Labour have a working majority to enable them to do what they promise

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The fact that the media, the Tories (and the Blairites) have been spreading lies about Corbyn since he was elected LP leader has nothing to do with it.

Feel free to detail these lies.

 

[Lever]

The only thing that I hope for is that everybody gets out and votes as you cannot complain if you didnt and that the outcome is that a party, hopefully not Labour have a working majority to enable them to do what they promise

So that's just a Tory rallying cry then; nothing of interest there.....