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The blame lies with McGhee
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Up the Albion!
Ned Zelic said:
Better & more astute than Adams?
I'm just out on the lash...I'll have a pint of what you're on mate!
angry toad
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- Jan 21, 2004
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Ned Zelic said:
But I would expect any of those managers to put a striker (even a winger) on the bench, ahead of one of three defensive midfielders, plus a defender. It's not abuse, it's constructive criticism.
To be fair I agree with comments about the subs bench. 1 out of Carpenter,Hammond and Oatway would have sufficed. Carpenter and Oatway have been part of the team for a long time and are big personalities in the team and I'm not sure that Mark McGhee dared to make the drastic move of dropping them altogether from the 16 even if it did lessen our options on the bench.
Buckingham
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I have to say although i am a big fan of McGhee, today baffled me totally.
To not at least try and change things when we playing simply awfully was awful management. I thought poor Dan Harding didn't have a clue what he was meant to be doing out there. I know we had few attacking options on the bench, but whose fault was that? He simply stood there and watched it happen, like a cardboard cut out.
I think he's so fed up with the situation here that he could well walk, looked today like he didn't really care.
To not at least try and change things when we playing simply awfully was awful management. I thought poor Dan Harding didn't have a clue what he was meant to be doing out there. I know we had few attacking options on the bench, but whose fault was that? He simply stood there and watched it happen, like a cardboard cut out.
I think he's so fed up with the situation here that he could well walk, looked today like he didn't really care.
does he know something we dont?
BensGrandad
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Would you stay as manager with both hands and your feet tied together.
Buckingham
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I think he tied he's own hands and feet together with this selection though.
London Irish
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BensGrandad said:
McGhee has often been asked this question and the answer is yes. The limitations were spelt out to him honestly before he was hired, and he is bright enough to understand them even if others aren't.
In the classic 4-3-3 you sacrifice one player in midfield and have a wide player (they used to be called wingers) upfront.
This means that the three midfielders have to do more running around to cover the same space as if there was one extra player. This ideally means a central midfielder that runs on a diagonal run from left back to right wing.
It is the most exciting system to play, but to my mind Albion would struggle to find the players to play this system. This means players with a lot of stamina in midfield.
4-4-2 would seem the obvious system to play at home. It can get turgid.
For the next away matches I would tend to crowd the midfield with five players and leave just one up front. (against 4-4-2)
The wing-back system is flawed with five at the back. The opposing side can only play on wing at a time so one full back is out of the action.
I don't mind five at the back if one is an attacking centre-half that can move into midfield or play as a stopper in front of the back four.
West Ham have got favour 4-3-3 against the Albion? I would like to man-mark their central midfielder (chase him all over the pitch). It is OK to play 4-4-2 against 4-3-3.
This means that the three midfielders have to do more running around to cover the same space as if there was one extra player. This ideally means a central midfielder that runs on a diagonal run from left back to right wing.
It is the most exciting system to play, but to my mind Albion would struggle to find the players to play this system. This means players with a lot of stamina in midfield.
4-4-2 would seem the obvious system to play at home. It can get turgid.
For the next away matches I would tend to crowd the midfield with five players and leave just one up front. (against 4-4-2)
The wing-back system is flawed with five at the back. The opposing side can only play on wing at a time so one full back is out of the action.
I don't mind five at the back if one is an attacking centre-half that can move into midfield or play as a stopper in front of the back four.
West Ham have got favour 4-3-3 against the Albion? I would like to man-mark their central midfielder (chase him all over the pitch). It is OK to play 4-4-2 against 4-3-3.
dougdeep
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To have only one recognized striker on the pitch and none on the bench. To have Harding in place of Carpenter. Mayo in place of Harding. No Hammond. No Jarrett. Then have Currie playing out of position? We never stood a chance.
How can Molango not be fit, he's been here for months. How can Jake not be ready? Not only was Peircy unfit, but he looked half a stone overweight as well. Only Nicolas looked as though he was up for it. Any answers, 'cause I haven't.
How can Molango not be fit, he's been here for months. How can Jake not be ready? Not only was Peircy unfit, but he looked half a stone overweight as well. Only Nicolas looked as though he was up for it. Any answers, 'cause I haven't.
BensGrandad
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Are the team generally not fit?
Tom Hark Preston Park
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The only decision I can't fathom from today is why Piercey was not substituted at half-time. Have rarely seen a more wretched performance in the stripes in recent memory. Fair enough, mostly not the lad's fault - he's hardly match fit and he sure as hell didn't ask to play up-front alongside Leon. But practically every pass he attempted in the first half went astray and surely it would have been for the best all round if Hammond had started the second half.
PS if you play the classic 4-3-3 (or attempt to) you usually end up playing up the left wing.
Albion could play the opposite variation with Chippy (instead of Danny Harding) playing central midfield role (from right back to left wing) and playing up the right wing. I was hoping that this would happen when Chippy came back into the team.
This worked better with Bobby Z who was left footed. He could drift wide and operate as a left winger to switch the play if we played mainly up the right. As Leon Knight is right footed it can arguably make sense the play up the left wing.
There is less point playing up the right wing cause this would mean the right back (Hinshelwood) and the right wide player (Gary Hart) and the right footed Leon Knight would be an overdose of players on the right. Mess up the shape.
The trouble with playing with any system is the players are a bit thick. I think most players like playing 5-3-2 cause it is easier on their brains, but it is not as efficient.
No point having two wingers, you can only play on one wing at once. Except that with 4-4-2 the two wide midfield players can take it in turns to run up the wing. It is less tiring for the poor souls as well.
It would help if more than none player could take the corners, to avoid Currie wandering over to the far side. Peter Taylor changed this when he was Manager.
Albion could play the opposite variation with Chippy (instead of Danny Harding) playing central midfield role (from right back to left wing) and playing up the right wing. I was hoping that this would happen when Chippy came back into the team.
This worked better with Bobby Z who was left footed. He could drift wide and operate as a left winger to switch the play if we played mainly up the right. As Leon Knight is right footed it can arguably make sense the play up the left wing.
There is less point playing up the right wing cause this would mean the right back (Hinshelwood) and the right wide player (Gary Hart) and the right footed Leon Knight would be an overdose of players on the right. Mess up the shape.
The trouble with playing with any system is the players are a bit thick. I think most players like playing 5-3-2 cause it is easier on their brains, but it is not as efficient.
No point having two wingers, you can only play on one wing at once. Except that with 4-4-2 the two wide midfield players can take it in turns to run up the wing. It is less tiring for the poor souls as well.
It would help if more than none player could take the corners, to avoid Currie wandering over to the far side. Peter Taylor changed this when he was Manager.
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Don't really understand McGees' excuse that Jake isn't ready yet. Unless he is played in at least part of every game how is he going to ever gain enough experience at this level to be "ready"? When he came on during the first game of the season at Reading he looked capable, quick and full of confidence, resulting in him getting our 2nd goal and putting us back in contention. That's what we could have done with today.
I understand that with Jake and Leon playing alongside each other up front we would lack a bit of height but perhaps then we would be FORCED to play the ball on the ground instead of hoofing it upfield, something we have been guilty of on so many occasions.
Let's start fazeing him in now, because if we lose both Knight and Virgo at the same time we've had it.
I understand that with Jake and Leon playing alongside each other up front we would lack a bit of height but perhaps then we would be FORCED to play the ball on the ground instead of hoofing it upfield, something we have been guilty of on so many occasions.
Let's start fazeing him in now, because if we lose both Knight and Virgo at the same time we've had it.
Charlies Shinpad
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At Sunderland he made the tactical error of bringing on Albert when really a point would have been good enough,and today well,the less said the better.
Looks like those Millwall fans have a valid point about his formations etc.
Looks like those Millwall fans have a valid point about his formations etc.
Clarke Quay
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Of course Adams, Coppell, Taylor and now McGhee get stick from fans at games and on this board. It's natural to let off steam after awful defeats.
Brighton being so high profile a city with key national journalists living locally, some excellent mamagers have taken on the job. The Chairman's powers of persuasion must also help us secure top managers. But they've all walked mainly due to the lack of a ground and the financial problems that result.
We surely don't wanr Mark Mc Ghee going the same way? Who else could do better? We were 30 seconds away from not even reaching the D2 play-off final..we are punching above our weight!!
Get behind Mark and give him thr respect due to a tried and tested Division 1 manager.
Good that's off my chest;feel better now!
Brighton being so high profile a city with key national journalists living locally, some excellent mamagers have taken on the job. The Chairman's powers of persuasion must also help us secure top managers. But they've all walked mainly due to the lack of a ground and the financial problems that result.
We surely don't wanr Mark Mc Ghee going the same way? Who else could do better? We were 30 seconds away from not even reaching the D2 play-off final..we are punching above our weight!!
Get behind Mark and give him thr respect due to a tried and tested Division 1 manager.
Good that's off my chest;feel better now!
BensGrandad
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Clarke Quay said:
I would agree but at least give the man a level playing field on which to perform. i.e the board must find the money for a striker NOW.