[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris

[Zeberdi]

Not directed at you whatsoever. I have read only bits of the thread

I put carlzeiss on ignore years ago for repeatedly posting links to brown people committing crimes, and related tropes, and then not engaging with any subsequent discussion, even claiming lack of knowledge about issues he felt were 'interesting' and denying any agenda. Tedious and pointless. Something I can easily disregard. So I do.

Fair enough - that was before my time or I just didn’t see that posting history.

I think you are probably as open minded to the benefit of healthy political debate as I am and recognise the importance of diverse opinion so I know when you put people on ignore, it’s for good personal reasons but I think as long as we stick to the issues ( as we have been doing over the past few pages) rather than it descending into a trolling binfest on both sides, I think we can manage that (just !)

 

[US Seagull]

Meanwhile Politic describes the election race as a ‘knife fight in a phone booth’ - with just 4 weeks to go, most other media outlets and polls still saying the election is a toss up with poll results within the margin of error for both candidates.

There are actually just under 9 weeks to go until the election.

Or, to put it another way, just 9 weeks to go until the start of the 2028 Presidential election!!!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Fair enough - that was before my time or I just didn’t see that posting history.

I think you are probably as open minded to the benefit of healthy political debate as I am and recognise the importance of diverse opinion so I know when you put people on ignore, it’s for good personal reasons but I think as long as we stick to the issues ( as we have been doing over the past few pages) rather than it descending into a trolling binfest on both sides, I think we can manage that (just !)

I agree with all that. Of course.

Yes, what I described was something that happened years ago, before you landed in NSC world.

And yes, I am interested in diverse opinion. I was born a white working class male, and continue to pursue a monotone heterosexual, relatively low risk lifestyle.

But it didn't take me too much pontification to realize that my 15 year old perspective (I actually wrote 'send all foreigners back' in a school notebook) was probably worth an upgrade, and over the years found that there are things to learn and fun to be had with all races, genders, sexual orientations, and disabilities, most nationalities (different from races), cuisines, musical forms and political allegiances, some religions, and one or two other football clubs.

I may have exaggerated the last bit.

 

[Zeberdi]

There are actually just under 9 weeks to go until the election.

Or, to put it another way, just 9 weeks to go until the start of the 2028 Presidential election!!!

I forgot there was October in between September and November

You do see now don’t you how difficult life can be with long Covid brain

 

[schmunk]

You do see now don’t you how difficult life can be with long Ovoid brain

 

[marlowe]

Much as its nice to believe that Trump has an IQ of 73, although in reality it probably isn't that much higher, the original source of that information was proved to be false....

I agree with everything else he says in that vid though, but I think making easily discreditable allegations about Trump not only sinks to his levels but also provides him with easy ammunition with which to discredit his critics, which should be avoided, especially when there is such a plethora of facts available which can be used to criticise him.....

Was Donald Trump's IQ Measured at 73?

Trump's IQ test results were supposedly discovered in a former New York Military Academy employee's closet.

www.snopes.com

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I agree with all that. Of course.

Yes, what I described was something that happened years ago, before you landed in NSC world.

And yes, I am interested in diverse opinion. I was born a white working class male, and continue to pursue a monotone heterosexual, relatively low risk lifestyle.

But it didn't take me too much pontification to realize that my 15 year old perspective (I actually wrote 'send all foreigners back' in a school notebook) was probably worth an upgrade, and over the years found that there are things to learn and fun to be had with all races, genders, sexual orientations, and disabilities, most nationalities (different from races), cuisines, musical forms and political allegiances, some religions, and one or two other football clubs.

I may have exaggerated the last bit.

The way I see it, i'm quite intrigued to hear the views of supporters of Trump / post truth demagoguery in general. To fight something you must first seek to understand it.

Now I could go onto twitter and youtube etc to find out what they say, but if i'm being truthful, I pollute my computer enough. I'd prefer those views in bitesize chunks and don't want to deal with some tech bro's algorithm thinking I want to receive abashed hate content.

NSC is great for that and I'm happy that this diversity of views can be expressed here.

 

[Eeyore]

Much as its nice to believe that Trump has an IQ of 73, although in reality it probably isn't that much higher, the original source of that information was proved to be false....

I agree with everything else he says in that vid though, but I think making easily discreditable allegations about Trump not only sinks to his levels but also provides him with easy ammunition with which to discredit his critics, which should be avoided, especially when there is such a plethora of facts available which can be used to criticise him.....

Was Donald Trump's IQ Measured at 73?

Trump's IQ test results were supposedly discovered in a former New York Military Academy employee's closet.

www.snopes.com

My biggest concern these days is folk of relatively high IQ sharing any old tosh they read online

 

[US Seagull]

Gotta say, I'm not seeing much point to this:

Kamala Harris campaign told how to win by UK Labour strategist

Deborah Mattinson — a fixture of the U.K. polling scene — will travel to Washington D.C. next week to brief the Harris-Walz team.

www.politico.eu

One of U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s top advisers, Deborah Mattinson, will brief Kamala Harris’ presidential campaign on Labour’s election-winning strategy, POLITICO has learned.

Starmer's strategy was to be running against a deeply unpopular PM from a deeply unpopular party that was on its fourth PM in the last 6 years.

I wish that was true of Trump and the GOP, but sadly they are a cult, not a political party, so normal laws of politics don't really apply.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The way I see it, i'm quite intrigued to hear the views of supporters of Trump / post truth demagoguery in general. To fight something you must first seek to understand it.

Now I could go onto twitter and youtube etc to find out what they say, but if i'm being truthful, I pollute my computer enough. I'd prefer those views in bitesize chunks and don't want to deal with some tech bro's algorithm thinking I want to receive abashed hate content.

NSC is great for that and I'm happy that this diversity of views can be expressed here.

Always happy to read @lasvegan even though we disagree about Trump

 

[schmunk]

Much as its nice to believe that Trump has an IQ of 73, although in reality it probably isn't that much higher, the original source of that information was proved to be false....

It's also clearly false. Whilst rather misguided in his actions, he's obviously of at least average intelligence. He has wit and agile thinking, without which he would not have come close to his various positions of power.

I stopped watching the video at that point because that lack of quality control (or critical thinking) cast nasturtiums on the rest of it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's also clearly false. Whilst rather misguided in his actions, he's obviously of at least average intelligence. He has wit and agile thinking, without which he would not have come close to his various positions of power.

I stopped watching the video at that point because that lack of quality control (or critical thinking) cast nasturtiums on the rest of it.

I found it entertaining because it maps to all my prejudices.

But as soon as I heard the '73' I thought 'not 72 or 74?'. Beware false precision

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I forgot there was October in between September and November

You do see now don’t you how difficult life can be with long Covid brain

I still refuse to accept there is a July and August between June and the seventh month, September.

f***ing Romans.

 

[schmunk]

f***ing Romans.

Yeah, what did they ever do for us anyway...?

 

[Triggaaar]

he's obviously of at least average intelligence

No he's not. He comes across to me as someone extremely unintelligent.

He has wit and agile thinking

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about Trump

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Gotta say, I'm not seeing much point to this:

Kamala Harris campaign told how to win by UK Labour strategist

Deborah Mattinson — a fixture of the U.K. polling scene — will travel to Washington D.C. next week to brief the Harris-Walz team.

www.politico.eu

Starmer's strategy was to be running against a deeply unpopular PM from a deeply unpopular party that was on its fourth PM in the last 6 years.

I wish that was true of Trump and the GOP, but sadly they are a cult, not a political party, so normal laws of politics don't really apply.

The Cultists (commonly abbreviated as ****s) are beyond reach. My understanding is they need to reach those voters who are not too bothered who becomes president and could vote for either candidate based on small margins, personal whim, or what they ate for breakfast on the day.

 

[Triggaaar]

Gotta say, I'm not seeing much point to this:

Kamala Harris campaign told how to win by UK Labour strategist

Deborah Mattinson — a fixture of the U.K. polling scene — will travel to Washington D.C. next week to brief the Harris-Walz team.

www.politico.eu

Starmer's strategy was to be running against a deeply unpopular PM from a deeply unpopular party that was on its fourth PM in the last 6 years.

I wish that was true of Trump and the GOP, but sadly they are a cult, not a political party, so normal laws of politics don't really apply.

I agree. But no stone unturned and all that.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Gotta say, I'm not seeing much point to this:

Kamala Harris campaign told how to win by UK Labour strategist

Deborah Mattinson — a fixture of the U.K. polling scene — will travel to Washington D.C. next week to brief the Harris-Walz team.

www.politico.eu

Starmer's strategy was to be running against a deeply unpopular PM from a deeply unpopular party that was on its fourth PM in the last 6 years.

I wish that was true of Trump and the GOP, but sadly they are a cult, not a political party, so normal laws of politics don't really apply.

The MAGAs will use this to say Harris is now being advised by Commies in the UK.

 

[StonehamPark]

Less than a week to the debate.

Possibly make or break time for both.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Interesting. I hadn't heard the term before, so looked it up.

"Sanctuary cities exist from coast to coast and promote the ideals of human rights, separation of local and federal law, and empowerment of communities to grow with the help of immigrants. Cities that pursue sanctuary city policies do so for various reasons, all of which relate on some level to human rights and community growth." "The history of sanctuary cities, however, focuses on the term sanctuary – or safe place. "

"The evidence shows that undocumented immigrants do not pose significant threats to communities, and they in fact positively impact them.

Sanctuary cities report positive outcomes, including the following:

• Sanctuary cities have lower than average crime rates
• Household incomes are higher in sanctuary cities
• The poverty rate in sanctuary cities is lower on average than cities without these policies"

Sounds quite good to me - promoting human rights, empowerment of communities and community growth.

Indeed, it would seem as though my initial hypothesis was right - people choose to go there because they are treated well and with dignity, experience lower crime rates, higher incomes and so on.

I guess you are saying that there therefore a contrast between Democratic areas treating people well and with dignity, and Republican areas?

I'm surprised you haven't herd of the term and no that's propaganda, the infrastructure in places like NY is being over whelmed. Dig deeper.

"promote the ideals of human rights" Imply other states don't? Its about importing voters.