St Pauli v Wolfsburg roll call

[Stat Brother]

Whats the obsession with St Pauli?

They aren't 'just another football club'.
As per Wiki:-

"Kult" phenomenon
It was in the mid-1980s that St. Pauli's transition from a traditional club into a "Kult" club began. The club was also able to turn the location of its ground in the dock area part of town, near Hamburg's famous Reeperbahn—centre of the city's night life and its red-light district—to its advantage. An alternative fan scene emerged, built around left-leaning politics and the "event" and party atmosphere of the club's matches. Supporters adopted the skull and crossbones as their own unofficial emblem. St. Pauli became the first team in Germany to officially ban right-wing nationalist activities and displays in its stadium in an era when fascist-inspired football hooliganism threatened the game across Europe.[citation needed] In 1981, the team was averaging crowds of only 1,600 spectators: by the late 1990s they were frequently selling out their entire 20,000-capacity ground.[citation needed]
In the early 1990s, the media in Germany started to work on the Kult-image of the club, focusing on the punk part of the fan-base in TV broadcasts of the matches. By this time, the media also started to establish nicknames like "Freibeuter der Liga" (buccaneers of the league) as well as das Freudenhaus der Liga ("Brothel of the League" but Freudenhaus also literally means "House of Fun").
St. Pauli moved in and out of the Bundesliga over the course of the next dozen years: The club were narrowly relegated to the Oberliga in the 1984-85 season, but won the 1985-86 championship and returned to 2. Bundesliga. Two increasingly strong years followed, resulting in promotion and three seasons in 1. Bundesliga, during 1988-91. Four seasons followed in 2. Bundesliga, and then another two in 1. Bundesliga 1995-97, before returning to 2. Bundesliga.

Not to mention the fact that now back in the big time, that have a hot dog train and beer dispensing chairs in their 1901 club.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Basically Saxondale wants it as a model for our club.

No thanks, and I repeat politics has not place in football.

If he likes it so much there then move there and take his PA skills with him.

The peoples poet.......in Southwick. hahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[mona]

1-1 draw apparently.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Have St Pauli moved to a new ground or has the old one been rebuilt?

They're still at the old ground, but it's been tarted up and rebuilt over the past few years.

Any team which has had a camouflage away kit is fine by me.

 

[Beach Hut]

Any team which has had a camouflage away kit is fine by me.

Does that include black drainpipe jeans and a matching chain by any chance ?

 

[shaun_rc]

It's two sides of a redeveloped ground and two sides of the original, though these are also likely to be redeveloped in the next few years.

I've been going to see them occasionally since 1993 or so (after a mention by the late great John Peel), and the atmosphere is amazing, with punks wheeling shopping trolleys of beer around, They just look completely unlike a normal football crowd.

Connections are certainly fitting with Brighton as a bohemian place. The problem for Atilla is that the Albion is the single league club in Sussex (at the moment at least), so inevitably has support from across the spectrum. St. Pauli is the 2nd club in Hamburg. HSV attract one type of fan, St. Pauli the other, so they also don't like each other much. I like 'em, but can see that they'd alweays be controversial on here. They also have a friendship with Celtic (as opposed to HSV / Rangers) - "the Rebel's Choice" say those half and half scarves, which do seem to be a feature of German football generally.

They are unique, but likely to be divisive on here. Me, I'd get a half and half scarf if there was one though...!

 

[Billy the Fish]

They aren't 'just another football club'.
As per Wiki:-

"Kult" phenomenon
It was in the mid-1980s that St. Pauli's transition from a traditional club into a "Kult" club began. The club was also able to turn the location of its ground in the dock area part of town, near Hamburg's famous Reeperbahn—centre of the city's night life and its red-light district—to its advantage. An alternative fan scene emerged, built around left-leaning politics and the "event" and party atmosphere of the club's matches. Supporters adopted the skull and crossbones as their own unofficial emblem. St. Pauli became the first team in Germany to officially ban right-wing nationalist activities and displays in its stadium in an era when fascist-inspired football hooliganism threatened the game across Europe.[citation needed] In 1981, the team was averaging crowds of only 1,600 spectators: by the late 1990s they were frequently selling out their entire 20,000-capacity ground.[citation needed]
In the early 1990s, the media in Germany started to work on the Kult-image of the club, focusing on the punk part of the fan-base in TV broadcasts of the matches. By this time, the media also started to establish nicknames like "Freibeuter der Liga" (buccaneers of the league) as well as das Freudenhaus der Liga ("Brothel of the League" but Freudenhaus also literally means "House of Fun").
St. Pauli moved in and out of the Bundesliga over the course of the next dozen years: The club were narrowly relegated to the Oberliga in the 1984-85 season, but won the 1985-86 championship and returned to 2. Bundesliga. Two increasingly strong years followed, resulting in promotion and three seasons in 1. Bundesliga, during 1988-91. Four seasons followed in 2. Bundesliga, and then another two in 1. Bundesliga 1995-97, before returning to 2. Bundesliga.

Not to mention the fact that now back in the big time, that have a hot dog train and beer dispensing chairs in their 1901 club.

So they are just another football club then, nothing in that text proves any different. The St Paul wankathon is embarrassing. Fair enough a few people have genuine links with their fans but anyone who goes there just because they've got supposedly left wing support needs to look at themselves long and hard in the mirror

 

[mona]

So they are just another football club then, nothing in that text proves any different. The St Paul wankathon is embarrassing. Fair enough a few people have genuine links with their fans but anyone who goes there just because they've got supposedly left wing support needs to look at themselves long and hard in the mirror

I think some of those on the trip are only there for a laugh....and a beer...and perhaps

As for St Pauli, give me instead Eintracht Frankfurt who supported us 14 years ago.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

anyone who goes there just because they've got supposedly left wing support needs to look at themselves long and hard in the mirror

It's as good a reason as any surely?

In your mind what are the legitimate reasons for supporting a team?

 

[Brovion]

I think some of those on the trip are only there for a laugh....and a beer...and perhaps

As for St Pauli, give me instead Eintracht Frankfurt who supported us 14 years ago.

St Pauli also supported us 14 years ago, in fact I think the largest foreign contingent were from St Pauli.

Despite the support they gave us I don't think there's any real connection between Brighton and St Pauli. Loads of fans from different clubs supported us then and we don't feel any special affinity for them. Quite a few Brighton fans support St Pauli (and I'm one of them) - but then so do fans of loads of other clubs many of who have almost 'formal' tie-ups with them. Shaun_rc gives a good analysis above; as we're the only club in leafy, rural Sussex we haven't got a lot in common with a team from the port area of a major industrial city. Maybe if the '1901 club v Ruffians' split actually resulted in two clubs then the Ruffians club might feel more like St Pauli, but at the moment probably the nearest Sussex example is Crawley - especially if they get in the league!

There is a good, unique vibe about St Pauli games, although obviously drinking beer on terraces is accepted practice in Germany. My original reason for supporting them was political as they were then the main rallying point for the German anti-facist movement. And despite what Billy the Fish says I make no apology for that.

 

[The Spanish]

yet more bonkers claims that brighton (the town) is similar to another european city. it used to be barcelona (f***ing insane) but now apparently its hamburg depending on how you fancy your imaginary brighton. having a few similar flyers for punk bands or shit club nights on lamp posts in both the reeperbahn and the north laine do not mean the place is brightons spiritual twin. if its a bit more than that and there is a massive counter cultural crossover that gives some shared identity please let me know, but lets be honest that really is a bit of old bollocks isnt it. british seaside resort and massive german port city - separated at birth! saucy postcards v. tolerated red light areas.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

yet more bonkers claims that brighton (the town) is similar to another european city. it used to be barcelona (f***ing insane) but now apparently its hamburg depending on how you fancy your imaginary brighton. having a few similar flyers for punk bands or shit club nights on lamp posts in both the reeperbahn and the north laine do not mean the place is brightons spiritual twin. if its a bit more than that and there is a massive counter cultural crossover that gives some shared identity please let me know, but lets be honest that really is a bit of old bollocks isnt it. british seaside resort and massive german port city - separated at birth! saucy postcards v. tolerated red light areas.

Well maybe its more in common with where the peoples poet (who advocates criminal damage and is connected in an official capacity within the club) lives - Southwick.

Basically its his ideolgy of a footer club. Personally I prefer the Bury model that someone elqoquently posted on the FCUM thread.

 

[The Spanish]

Well maybe its more in common with where the peoples poet (who advocates criminal damage and is connected in an official capacity within the club) lives - Southwick.

Basically its his ideolgy of a footer club. Personally I prefer the Bury model that someone elqoquently posted on the FCUM thread.

but they are cool and are a bit like pirates. i personally salute the hilariously groovy and anarchic idea of hosting matches for illegally occupied psuedo states created by an invasion that displaced 150 000 people at gunpoint, made a good few thousand vanish without a trace, and continue to ignore requests for details of the fates of prisoners who have not been seen for 36 years. Right on man!

 

[xenophon]

Guardianistas and comfortable socialists in yachts love them, I bet SV are the proper working class team in Hamburg

Meh

 

[Trigger]

Game was pretty pants but the atmosphere in the Wolfsburg end was immense, didn't actually fancy going in with the St. Pauli fans!

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

If its anything like an Atilla gig you would probably be covered in phlegm.

 

[Scotty Mac]

Never any danger of me being convinced to join a bunch of left wing nutters - it was all about the Wolfsburg fans, who had a large quantity of fitties with them and were very very friendly

St Pauli did make a cracking atmosphere though

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Does that include black drainpipe jeans and a matching chain by any chance ?

Dont forget the DMs

 

[Uncle Buck]

Highlight of the game was the beer seller with beer pack who just seemed to keep selling me beer.

Am officially broken, the last remaining member of the party still out there is on his 8th beer of the day and considering heading for the airport.

 

[Trigger]

From the Wolfsburg end...