Southern order more carriages

[Lord Bracknell]

BBC News - Bombardier handed £188m Southern contract

Good to see them buying British. But aren't they pricey?

£188 million buys 130 carriages. That's £1.446 million each. I can't see the extra matchday income from Albion fans making any difference to the affordability of these carriages.

 

[Hillian1]

But have they got bogs on them?

 

[Beach Hut]

Good news all round and yes carriages cost money LB

 

[Publius Ovidius]

to be delivered by 2014?

 

[SeagullSongs]

Excellent, hopefully they'll now be able to run more 4 and 8 coach trains on matchdays.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Hopefully they will replace frankly SHIT Gatwick Express stock that is always breaking down and is quite frankly unfucking acceptable.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Says on that article that the government are chipping in £80mil.

 

[8ace]

Not much use to us though:

The £188.8 million order will augment Southern’s existing fleet of Electrostars and allow Southern to lengthen trains on some of its busiest Metro routes into Victoria, including routes via Gipsy Hill, Norbury and Hackbridge at the end of 2013 .

Southern’s £188 million train order : Southern

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Good news all round and yes carriages cost money LB

Indeed they do. £1.446 million each is a lot of money. Curiously, the deal with Siemens for the Thameslink stock comes out at only £1.167 million a carriage (almost 20 per cent cheaper). Are Siemens offering that big a discount for quantity? Has the government suddenly decided to favour British products over cheaper foreign imports? Or is the intention to continue to treat Thameslink passengers as second-class customers?

BBC News - Bombardier report: Credit rating

 

[Cian]

Carriages (local hauled) or multiple units? Pricey for carriages, not so much so for multiples.

 

[Marshal Josip Tito]

Isn't Bombardier part owned by the Germans anyway?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Not much use to us though:

The £188.8 million order will augment Southern’s existing fleet of Electrostars and allow Southern to lengthen trains on some of its busiest Metro routes into Victoria, including routes via Gipsy Hill, Norbury and Hackbridge at the end of 2013 .

This could possibly help locally - if Southern can return the stock that was nicked off the Seaford line to augment services in London. This would restore four coach trains where we now have three coach trains, without toilets.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Isn't Bombardier part owned by the Germans anyway?

Like every major manufacturer, it's a multinational. But the jobs are in Derby.

Aerospace Key Acquisitions
1986 ** Canadair (Canada)
1989 ** Short Brothers (Ireland)
1990 ** Learjet Corporation’s assets (U.S.)
1992 ** de Havilland (Canada)
2000 ** Skyjet (U.S.)

Rail Transportation Key Acquisitions
1971 **Lohnerwerke (Austria)
1976 **MLW-Worthington (Canada)
1984 **Alco Power (U.S.)
1988 **BN Constructions Ferroviaires et Métalliques (Belgium)
1989 **ANF-Industrie (France)
1990 **Procor Engineering (Britain)
1992 **UTDC (Canada)
1992 **Constructura Nacional de Carros de Ferrocarril (Mexico)
1995 **Waggonfabrik Talbot (Germany)
1998 **Deutsche Waggonbau (Germany)
2001 **DaimlerChrysler Rail Systems - Adtranz (Germany)

 

[Leekbrookgull]

to be delivered by 2014?

Is that almost,Quarter past Eight ?

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Indeed they do. £1.446 million each is a lot of money. Curiously, the deal with Siemens for the Thameslink stock comes out at only £1.167 million a carriage (almost 20 per cent cheaper). Are Siemens offering that big a discount for quantity? Has the government suddenly decided to favour British products over cheaper foreign imports? Or is the intention to continue to treat Thameslink passengers as second-class customers?

BBC News - Bombardier report: Credit rating

Siemans are SKINT,German Govt have 'signed it off'

 

[beorhthelm]

Hopefully they will replace frankly SHIT Gatwick Express stock that is always breaking down and is quite frankly unfucking acceptable.

funny thing this was discussed in another thread. i had a thought though, if the Gatwck Express are so unreliable why do they not break down on the line to Eastbourne, where they run the LB service

Siemans are SKINT,German Govt have 'signed it off'

you sure? i thought the reason Siemans won the deal was they were the only company that could afford the loans up front within the budget. or maybe thats it, German Gov subbed them, nothing like a bit of government subsidy to help a deal.

 

[Peever]

Isn't Bombardier part owned by the Germans anyway?

Yes, and part owned by Canadians I believe as well or we at least have a massive branch of the company based out of Montreal anyway

 

[Dover]

On another note. have the Germans won the contract as Eurostar do not have exclusive use of the Channel Tunnel in the next couple of years, and the German railway have already had trails.

 

[VAL1850]

Noted that there are half dozen plus ex London bendy buses parked up behind Newhaven Maritime station - are they destined for use in Brighton and possible park n ride

 

[Dover]

Noted that there are half dozen plus ex London bendy buses parked up behind Newhaven Maritime station - are they destined for use in Brighton and possible park n ride

As per this link

http://history.buses.co.uk/history/fleethist/2011buses.htm