[Politics] Should NATO send in troops and planes

[usernamed]

One question: Do you believe that Putin is bluffing?

I appreciate the question wasn’t directed at me, but 100%.

 

[birthofanorange]

I appreciate the question wasn’t directed at me, but 100%.

Okay, why are you so sure, that you'd effectively gamble the world on it?

 

[A1X]

I appreciate the question wasn’t directed at me, but 100%.

Bet your life? And everyone else’s?

 

[usernamed]

Bet your life? And everyone else’s?

As would Putin be, he’s greedy and aggressive, not mad.

 

[birthofanorange]

As would Putin be, he’s greedy and aggressive, not mad.

Thank you for your diagnosis, doctor.

 

[Bry Nylon]

If we do go everyone’s heads and hearts will be reduced to atoms floating around in radioactive soup.

If Russia maintain their nuclear arsenal as well as they maintain their armoured vehicles, Putin would press the button and probably blow the Kremlin up.

Which would be nice

 

[Wrong-Direction]

I think people are forgetting that just like over here, the majority of the population support their leaders. Absolutely no chance the Russians will turn on him, more likely to be the opposite.

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[usernamed]

Thank you for your diagnosis, doctor.

You are most welcome.

 

[zefarelly]

As would Putin be, he’s greedy and aggressive, not mad.

Depends how you define mad

He's old school USSR, so brain washed from birth

The break up of the block must have seemed like your parents splitting up, both remarrying and spoiling respective children while he/you got nothing. . . He's bitter, with a whole chip shop on his shoulders . . . He's managed to create his own empire and is a frightening threat.

Universal sanctions and hopefully the Russian middle classes turn on him is the best bet IMO.

WWIII is not a viable option. . I do think he would press the button . . . . So yes I do think he is a bit mad

 

[Saunders]

We will have to make the decision sooner or later, it will not end with Ukraine. I feel at that point could we not have let them die. This is similar to Hungary.

 

[birthofanorange]

We will have to make the decision sooner or later, it will not end with Ukraine.

Erm....wouldn't later be preferable?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

What is wrong with you? Putin is a madman who is acting irrationally. He has proven he doesn't give a shit about human life or misery, firstly supporting Assad in Syria and now this illegal war in Ukraine that has included firing missiles at a nuclear power plant and bombing a Jewish cemetary.

If ever there was a world leader in the last 50 years who is capable of pushing the nuclear button it is Putin. He's even describing sanctions as an act of war when, clearly, it is a reactive measure to his aggression. He needs only the flimsiest of reasons as a pretext to start WW3 and taking out their convoy would be the start of that war.

What’s wrong with me ? The rest of your post is reasonable but I am not taking that first sentence. I am saying the same as President Zelensky. All you seem to care about is your own safety. Lovely.

 

[usernamed]

[MENTION=263]zefarelly[/MENTION] I agree that sanctions and Russians turning on him would be ideal, but what I’ve seen from inside Russia suggests it’s incredibly unlikely.

Putin has taken great care (especially over the last decade) to appear ‘unpredictable’ and ‘impossible to read’ when dealing with the West. This gives him an enormous advantage when dealing with more rational actors, and is why Putin and Trump are absolutely bedfellows. Trump loves the contrarian view, it’s where he thrives.

We must not allow ourselves to swallow his hype. Doing so gives him incredible psychological power over us. There is nothing in Putin’s actions that is not calculated. He’s a hideous human being, but he’s not erratic or insane, he’s doing what he believes is the best for Russia, and is perfectly willing to use our (very rational) fear of nuclear war against us to achieve his goals.

He does what he is doing to strengthen and grow Russia. If we were bombing Moscow he could feel threatened enough to reach for the button, but he isn’t going to destroy Russia and the rest of the world to keep Ukraine.

 

[birthofanorange]

What’s wrong with me ? The rest of your post is reasonable but I am not taking that first sentence. I am saying the same as President Zelensky. All you seem to care about is your own safety. Lovely.

Bollocks.

All I care about is the safety of civilisation, despite it's myriad faults. Personal safety is a bonus.

 

[Seagull]

Felt I had to vote yes, despite really hating war. I am not sure what should be done, but I think we have to do more to stop this psychopath from erasing Ukraine and its people.

 

[birthofanorange]

Felt I had to vote yes, despite really hating war. I am not sure what should be done, but I think we have to do more to stop this psychopath from erasing Ukraine and its people.

You hate war but are willing to risk WW3?

 

[Dorset Seagull]

One question: Do you believe that Putin is bluffing?

Yes and if we dont double bluff he will continue bluffing. If he is capable of pushing the button then he will do it in the future if not now so we may as well test his resolve now is the outcome will be the same. He is a bully and a coward he just needs standing up to

 

[usernamed]

You hate war but are willing to risk WW3?

We haven’t stopped the war by sitting on our hands. It’s happening, right now. We’re already involved.

If the argument is “we shouldn’t intervene because Russia has nuclear weapons” then that argument will remain intact whether he’s rolling across Ukraine, Poland or England.

 

[birthofanorange]

Yes and if we dont double bluff he will continue bluffing. If he is capable of pushing the button then he will do it in the future if not now so we may as well test his resolve now is the outcome will be the same. He is a bully and a coward he just needs standing up to

Jeez...this isn't Grange Hill bully stuff.

Fine if you believe he's bluffing (which I clearly don't), but what happens if you're wrong?

 

[Icy Gull]

I am now starting to think we should call Putin’s bluff…risky I accept but he is not going to stop whilst we keep backing off

Drink talking…but I don’t believe he wants to die, which he will…the **** is now shelling more civilians

Bet you’re glad I am not PM