Scarface
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What about when he does a George Best and needs a new liver or three?
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Shane MacGowan on 'The Frank Skinner Show'
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n1 gull
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I don't understand, that if someone choices not to be healthy - surely they have that right. As long as they don't burden the rest of us financially, or by being rude etc....
We should celebrate the fact we can be different, even if his lifestyle doesn't suit you, doesn't make it wrong.
We should celebrate the fact we can be different, even if his lifestyle doesn't suit you, doesn't make it wrong.
oldham gull
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ChapmansThe Saviour said:
this is exactly what I'm trying to say about this attitude ( and not very clearly by the looks of things!)
It is not good enough to say 'what harm is he doing, he's tucked away somewhere lonely getting drunk'. He is not a man in isolation. His drinking will be harming someone. Maybe not you or me -to us it might be funny, eccentric or just sad. But there must be people around him who have been very badly harmed by his choices.
What we do has an effect on other people, full stop. We can only have this live & let live attitude if we shut ourselves away from society altogether - I don't think that is what you are proposing?
n1 gull
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The George Best argument is dodgy. Would give someone who had been in a car crash an organ transplant if they needed it?
Answer probably yes.
What if the car crash was their fault? Maybe they even killed other people in the crash.
We can't play God and shouldn't be judgemental.
Answer probably yes.
What if the car crash was their fault? Maybe they even killed other people in the crash.
We can't play God and shouldn't be judgemental.
oldham gull
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n1 gull said:
I'm not making a moral judgement on Shane MacGowan, not am I saying I don't like his lifestlye. I am saying that what he chooses to do does have a negative impact on the society around him.
Uncle Spielberg
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Best has been sober for 67 days and judging by the photos in the NOTW look in pretty good nick. Its amazing the amount of abuse a body can take, he was on 1 bottle of Brandy and 2 bottles of wine a day.
oldham gull said:
Not at all, he was talking about how he loved and lost because of his drinking and is clearly aware that he's hurting someone, it's not like he's being selfish or owt. You seem to have made up your mind that he couldn't give a shit about anyone else but himself, this is clearly not the case. Who are we to judge??
oldham gull
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I am not judging him. I'm sure he has got some huge regrets. What I am questioning is our attitude and the fact that we seem to believe it doesn't really matter what we do with our lives. He is a clear example that it does matter and that we don't live in isolation - that is what I am trying to challenge!
Scarface
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I didnt mean only give people a new liver who deserve one. I meant that if someone has been given a new liver because of their lifestyle and then been given a second chance and still continued to damage that one should they be given another one over someone who wouldnt waste it. I understand the playing god arguement and obviously wouldnt allow someone to die if one were available.n1 gull said:
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ShorehamGull
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I saw it, that laugh was so funny
oldham gull
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fatboy said:
Are you seriously going to put forward a coherant argument to say that his lifestyle is healthy?!! I'd like to see you try!
Irrespective of the impact on his own body, I am suggesting that the way he is living is not healthy for those around him.
I don't know anything about him to be honest but if someone chooses to drink to excess I don't think they are necessarily harming others.
For a start he made great entertainment for however many millions (?) of people watched the FS show.
Perhaps it is better to live life to excess for 50 years, and not worry about irrelevant things like debt, then to live a monotonous life going to work everyday just so you can retire at 65 and struggle to get by on a state pittance.
People are able to make these choices and we should not judge them.
For a start he made great entertainment for however many millions (?) of people watched the FS show.
Perhaps it is better to live life to excess for 50 years, and not worry about irrelevant things like debt, then to live a monotonous life going to work everyday just so you can retire at 65 and struggle to get by on a state pittance.
People are able to make these choices and we should not judge them.
Cheeky Monkey
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- Jul 17, 2003
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As someone who has shelled out £30 notes for the Pogues sold out December reunion tour I watched last night's show in dismay and can't help wondering how he's gonna pull off a decent hour (or two!?) on stage. As stated before, the guy is a lyrical/musical genius who makes Liam Gallagher look like Charlotte Church on stage, but last night's show and all the talk of his relationship breakdown was just a bit sad and just purile voyeurism for an audience who little understood or cared.
