You may well be right if Trump gets in. Europe needs to step up to the plate more.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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fly high
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Isn't it the case that Ukraine think what they have been given/promised so far will only maintain the status quo when they really need the tools to drive the Russians back.
I believe I read that, yes. ,(, can't remember where though).
I found this quite interesting, an update from the British govt/ MOD on the International Fund for Ukraine (IFU) where the UK is the coordinator of funding contributions from UK , Scandinavia, Netherlands, Australia, NZ, Iceland... IIRC.
So, this is one of the coordinated procurement processes (for ammunition etc) that continues in the background. It's not the only method,and other national processes exist.
It's all rather business like with tenders and offers.
Anyway, it may be of interest, about a 5 minute read.
So, this is one of the coordinated procurement processes (for ammunition etc) that continues in the background. It's not the only method,and other national processes exist.
It's all rather business like with tenders and offers.
Anyway, it may be of interest, about a 5 minute read.
Well done Spain... but the EU seriously needs to do something about Hungary, the Putin puppet
www.theguardian.com
Spain to give Ukraine €1bn in military aid in decade-long defence deal
Pedro Sánchez, the prime minister, says the funding will improve Kyiv’s air defences just days after Russia killed 18 people in Kharkiv
www.theguardian.com
fly high
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My concern with this is the MOD are historically bad at procurement.I found this quite interesting, an update from the British govt/ MOD on the International Fund for Ukraine (IFU) where the UK is the coordinator of funding contributions from UK , Scandinavia, Netherlands, Australia, NZ, Iceland... IIRC.
So, this is one of the coordinated procurement processes (for ammunition etc) that continues in the background. It's not the only method,and other national processes exist.
It's all rather business like with tenders and offers.
Anyway, it may be of interest, about a 5 minute read.
That is certainly true
The EU simply have to suspend Hungary's membership. Whether they have the balls to do this remains to be seen, but they are desperate not to be seen to be losing members/breaking up, so I have my doubts.Well done Spain... but the EU seriously needs to do something about Hungary, the Putin puppet
Spain to give Ukraine €1bn in military aid in decade-long defence deal
Pedro Sánchez, the prime minister, says the funding will improve Kyiv’s air defences just days after Russia killed 18 people in Kharkiv
Yes, something needed.
I'm sure the EU are worried about driving Hungary into Russia's arms, if they suspend membership, but the current situation isn't sustainable, surely.
The EU just isn't functioning on this major major issue.
Bit late to worry about driving Hungary into Russia's arms when Orban has already crawled halfway up Russia's arse!
Halfway up is better than all the way!
The way Orban behaves it's odd he hasn't tried to take Hungary out of NATO.
But maybe that's the plan from Putin... have puppets within NATO and the EU that will disrupt unity. Hungary aren't the only one.
I believe many people in Hungary, especially among the young, would like to live in a western style liberal democracy rather than Orban's quasi-kremlin model - getting kicked out of/suspended from the EU might just push things over the edge, resulting in the demise of Orban.
The worry then would be if it went the same way as it did 70 years ago, or in Czechoslovakia in 1968.
Yes I'm sure you're right about the young Hungarian people - in fact quite a number live and work here in Wiltshire.
The Anti-Ukraine-support (pro Kremlin by default) leaders and agitators in Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia, plus Transnistria.... could cause major headaches for the EU and NATO.
fly high
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Every Western nation needs to do the same.
fly high
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As you say, 'if true ' they should be ashamed of themselves. I was so pleased when Cameron told Ukraine and the rest of the world that our long range missiles could be used in a anyway and anywhere Ukraine saw fit.
. Thank you, President Macron. He said it on a visit to Scholz in Germany 
. " Hit military sites inside Russia...".
And, in fact, if Russia has concentrations of its troops at the Ukrainian border, that should ALSO be regarded a "military site".
Russia regards supermarkets as military sites,after all.
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. " Hit military sites inside Russia...".And, in fact, if Russia has concentrations of its troops at the Ukrainian border, that should ALSO be regarded a "military site".
Russia regards supermarkets as military sites,after all.
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Sadly the sooner Moscow becomes a sheet of glass, the quicker there will be peace in Europe.