Rejoice! its Maggies No such thing as Society Speech!

[Lord Bracknell]

You're living in a different world. Everyone hates Blair and his human rights lawyer wife.

You may have a point about different worlds, Oceanic.

Next time you're up north, try and find a Tory.

Last year was a fairly disastrous year for Labour in the local government elections.

But look at the distribution of seats in Manchester:-

Labour 57
Liberal Democrat 38
Green 1
Others 0

Or Liverpool:-

Liberal Democrat 60
Labour 27
Liberals 3
Others 0

Or Newcastle:-

Liberal Democrat 48
Labour 30
Others 0


Now tell us where the "Tory revival" might come from.

 

[London Irish]

are you a london cab driver?

No, it's definitely Al Murray's Pub Landlord....

 

[Biscuit]

ha ha!

If there was an election tomorrow, Blair would win it again.

 

[looney]

MT "and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! "


She said exactly what she meant and had said for a long time. To her Britain was a collection of individuals built around the so imagined perfect white british protestant family.

To me there is a community of people, male and female, young and old, of different races and religions.

I think she was attacking the abstract concept of a society used as an excuse by people to absolve themselves of responsibilty. Rather than a more practicle workable one .

We see the results of the abstract version on here with bhaexpress running away from an apology.

We see a lack of responsibility towards the players on here and when a player bites back I didn't remember one apology. You dont understand it? That figures.

Putting the world to right is hard labour intensive work not socialist eulogising.

 

[El Presidente]

The schools are in a worst state.

Spot the deliberate mishtake on speling here for extra satifical effect

 

[larus]

You may have a point about different worlds, Oceanic.

Next time you're up north, try and find a Tory.

Last year was a fairly disastrous year for Labour in the local government elections.

But look at the distribution of seats in Manchester:-

Labour 57
Liberal Democrat 38
Green 1
Others 0

Or Liverpool:-

Liberal Democrat 60
Labour 27
Liberals 3
Others 0

Or Newcastle:-

Liberal Democrat 48
Labour 30
Others 0


Now tell us where the "Tory revival" might come from.

But the problem is LB that we could have said the same about the heartlands of central England during the Tory landslides.

The only reason for Labour being in power is that they have adopted a lot of the Tory policies from the past. However, when Gordon becomes PM, and his incompetence of running the economy becomes clear, Labour will lose again, will end up drifting back to the left and become a party for students, academics and public servants who can't grasp the concept of the real economy.

The debt incurred by Gordon Brown via PFI and other liabilities is enormous. At some time, this will need to be repaid. Yes, there has been a huge amount of money thrown at the NHS, but what is the benefit. The trusts are still focussing on targets and not service.

Why can't the left get away from the constant claim that only by being state run can 'public services' be any good. The services need to be free at the point of delivery, but be run in the most cost-effective manner possible. That is private enterprise. Give people the incentive to make a profit, and you will encourage people to try to improve the businesses to reduce cost. I accept that there will always be people who will try to cheat and short-cut. But that only happens in private companies though, doesn't it. I mean, we all know that Tony Blair would never lie over Iraq, not Gordon Brown over the Golden Rule, nor Stephen Byers over railtrack. I mean, their public workers and Labour, so they're all right aren't they.

 

[The British National Party]

You may have a point about different worlds, Oceanic.

Next time you're up north, try and find a Tory.

Last year was a fairly disastrous year for Labour in the local government elections.

But look at the distribution of seats in Manchester:-

Labour 57
Liberal Democrat 38
Green 1
Others 0

Or Liverpool:-

Liberal Democrat 60
Labour 27
Liberals 3
Others 0

Or Newcastle:-

Liberal Democrat 48
Labour 30
Others 0


Now tell us where the "Tory revival" might come from.

You stick to the main issues of Falmer, you haven't a f***ing clue about anything else.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Why can't the left get away from the constant claim that only by being state run can 'public services' be any good. The services need to be free at the point of delivery, but be run in the most cost-effective manner possible. That is private enterprise. Give people the incentive to make a profit, and you will encourage people to try to improve the businesses to reduce cost. I accept that there will always be people who will try to cheat and short-cut. But that only happens in private companies though, doesn't it. I mean, we all know that Tony Blair would never lie over Iraq, not Gordon Brown over the Golden Rule, nor Stephen Byers over railtrack. I mean, their public workers and Labour, so they're all right aren't they. [/B]

You mean the efficient cost-effective railway maintenance companies that have caused deaths on our railways in recent years? The railways that were incidentally the British people's before they were sold off for profit.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

You stick to the main issues of Falmer, you haven't a f***ing clue about anything else.

Next time there is a General election go and look at the northern connurbations, they are largely red. Here is a map of the 1997 result: http://www.ukelect.co.uk/May1997Winner/UK.jpg

2005 result map: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/flash_map/html/map05.stm

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

!" You say:"Look" It is not from the dole. It is your neighbour who is supplying it and if you can earn your own living then really you have a duty to do it and you will feel very much better!"

Just like she enabled the miners to earn they own living after countless pits were closed in the 1980's.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

The illegal war in Iraq which will never bring peace. ( All for oil). Potentially true

Brought Muslim terrorists to the streets of Britain and it will continue. How? Terrorists were here long before Blair was in power. Iraq isn't the reason they're here, just a handy excuse

Open door policy on immigration who he hasn't a f***ing clue who's here and who’s not. (Terrorists) Still an improvement on pre-1997

The NHS in a worst state than when he won in 97. ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS

The private sector retire at 60 and every other fucker retires at 67. (are they on the Blair’s jam roll?) You retire when you want to. Don't get pension until 67, but we are all living longer & something has to give. At least they're not ducking the issue

The schools are in a worst state. ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS

Early releases for criminals. huh?

My Blair is buying votes. huh??

Mr Blair giving our rebate away for f*** all in return. Read the details have we?

Drugs are legal. Plain ridiculous

I’ve got to go out, I’ll return later with more reason why Blair and his f***ing Muppets need f***ing shooting!! Please do - will be entertaining

 

[Richard Whiteley]

The schools are in a worst state.

you thick f***

 

[London Calling]

The rebate issue.

Firstly the Conservative Government negotiated the agreement that ment we were putting "too" much into the EC. So it was the fuckwit Thatcher's fault in the first place.


Secondly, her Government refused to accept EC Regional Aid, the norm for all other countries, despite at the time we had the most acute unemployment in the regions, higher than in the majority of Europe.

As a result she proudly negotiated the rebate, as result of her own Government's incompetance.

As pressure on her from a large number of Scottish, NI, Wales, Northern MP's and Councillors built (a mixture of all parties).

She finally conceded and the UK finally made a bid for regional aid, but only for a small areas and only for Objective 2 status the equivalent to Vauxall Conference) as againgst the premiership Objective 1. Which a large part of our Country would have received at the time.

So whilst she got the rebate, her "pride" that the UK did not need handouts actually lost the country more money and investment.

For the people who have experienced the benefits of regional aid from Europe at first hand in the UK and across Europe, you will realise what a complete **** she really was and how her so called pride left a large amount of our urban and sometimes rural communities short of investment and in unnecessary plight.

We just had an election and despite the Iraq war how many people voted for the conservatives? And perversely the Tories are more pro war than the majority of Labour and Liberal voters!

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

how on earth are the schools in a "worst" state?!

my brother & sister have a MUCH better education than i had, even though i went to a highly respectable school

as for the nhs being worse now than pre-1997

 

[looney]

Firstly the Conservative Government negotiated the agreement that ment we were putting "too" much into the EC. So it was the fuckwit Thatcher's fault in the first place.

Wrong. It was Edward Heath who was desperate to take us in at any price and lied to everyone about it.

So whilst she got the rebate, her "pride" that the UK did not need handouts actually lost the country more money and investment.

Erm, so why exactley should we rely on handouts if we are/were the largest net contributor?

For the people who have experienced the benefits of regional aid from Europe at first hand in the UK and across Europe, you will realise what a complete **** she really was and how her so called pride left a large amount of our urban and sometimes rural communities short of investment and in unnecessary plight.

You actually dont know what your talking about do you? As the largest net contributor why do we need to syphon money via brussels to aid our own areas? You tend to argue against yourself.

 

[Richard Whiteley]

You stick to the main issues of Falmer, you haven't a f***ing clue about anything else.

you thick f***

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Here's what Mr Blair will have left.....

...The NHS in a worst state than when he won in 97.

That's rich. The f***ing greedhead Tories did their best to destroy the NHS.

 

[London Calling]

With reference to the below, because as long as your regional areas meet the key economic criteria the money is there for the taking, Tthe money under Objective 1 will provide 75% of infrastructure costs. We presently have Objective 1 areas and regions such as Merseyside get billions of EC money to complement our own expenditure. We can't lose.


But no not Thatcher, By not putting forward areas that were clearly Objective 1 and 2 areas we lost cash.

By the way I spent 15 years getting European aid so its a subject I know well.

Heath took us into Europe, the criteria for the EC budget was Maastrict and negotiated by Thatcher.

Firstly the Conservative Government negotiated the agreement that ment we were putting "too" much into the EC. So it was the fuckwit Thatcher's fault in the first place.

Wrong. It was Edward Heath who was desperate to take us in at any price and lied to everyone about it.

So whilst she got the rebate, her "pride" that the UK did not need handouts actually lost the country more money and investment.

Erm, so why exactley should we rely on handouts if we are/were the largest net contributor?

For the people who have experienced the benefits of regional aid from Europe at first hand in the UK and across Europe, you will realise what a complete **** she really was and how her so called pride left a large amount of our urban and sometimes rural communities short of investment and in unnecessary plight.

You actually dont know what your talking about do you? As the largest net contributor why do we need to syphon money via brussels to aid our own areas? You tend to argue against yourself.