QPR - Points Deduction

[Ecosse Exile]

I think the F.A are quite right in waiting until they know how many points to dock QPR so as to make sure that they are not promoted. Lets face it the Premier League is very big business and very big money, if QPR still get promoted they will be seen as getting away with it, a fine is irrelevent, and if they are not deducted enough points to stop promotion then what is the point in deducting points.

Their are plenty of football clubs out there who are quite happy to bend or break rules to suit their own means, if the F.A. only fine QPR then all those other clubs will then think stuff the rules the rewards are far greater than the punishment.

 

[bhaexpress]

If the FA dock fifteen points then you might as well cancel next season's Premier League, QPR will drag the case into court be they right or wrong and the controversy will drag on way past August. I would add that a speculative article in The Sun doesn't mean that what they printed is fact anyway.

 

[surrey jim]

BBC Sport - FA denies Sun claims about QPR disciplinary hearing

The Football Association insists it has made no comment to the Sun newspaper about Queens Park Rangers' forthcoming disciplinary hearing.

Championship leaders QPR asked the FA to investigate a report suggesting they face a hefty points deduction over the 2009 signing of Alejandro Faurlin.

An FA statement read: "The FA wishes to make clear it dissociates itself from an article in the Sun newspaper.

"Any alleged FA source is not speaking on behalf of the FA."

English football's governing body also confirmed it was not its policy to "comment on the charges, evidence or potential range of sanctions before the outcome of a disciplinary hearing".

The Sun claimed Neil Warnock's side could be docked up to 15 points if they are found guilty of breaking third-party ownership rules.

As the table currently stands, QPR need only a point to secure promotion to the Premier League but a sizeable points penalty would see them plummet into the play-off places.

The FA has been investigating the case since September, when QPR asked for permission to buy out a third party that owned Faurlin's economic rights.

The club was prompted to do this by the Football League's introduction of rules prohibiting the third-party ownership of players.

The league told QPR they would have to notify the FA of their plans and it then became apparent the club may have been in breach of FA regulations for more than a year.

Those rules were introduced following the Carlos Tevez saga, which dragged on for two years after the Argentine striker, who was then owned by a third party, helped West Ham escape relegation from the Premier League in 2007.

Sheffield United, then managed by Warnock, went down instead but lodged a legal challenge that ended with the Hammers owing the Premier League £5.5m for breaking the rules and the Blades £20m in compensation.

West Ham, however, avoided any points deduction that would have sent them down in United's place.

The hearing into the signing of Faurlin begins next Tuesday and a verdict is set to be delivered three days later.

The Sun quoted an FA source as saying: "There's no question QPR have broken the rules. They know it as well. The only debate is what to do about it.

"If they aren't found guilty you might as well scrap the rules about third-party owners."

Not like the Sun to lie !

 

[CliveWalkerWingWizard]

I think the F.A are quite right in waiting until they know how many points to dock QPR so as to make sure that they are not promoted. Lets face it the Premier League is very big business and very big money, if QPR still get promoted they will be seen as getting away with it, a fine is irrelevent, and if they are not deducted enough points to stop promotion then what is the point in deducting points.

Their are plenty of football clubs out there who are quite happy to bend or break rules to suit their own means, if the F.A. only fine QPR then all those other clubs will then think stuff the rules the rewards are far greater than the punishment.

Surely the FA have to set a precedent on number of points deducted and apply to all teams equally, you can't fix the penalty so a team does not get promoted, what happens if a mid table team breaks the rules in the same way ?- maybe points are set at 15, if this leads to relegation or failure to achieve promotion they are implemented at end of the season, if not they are implemented at the start of the next season.

 

[Ecosse Exile]

Surely the FA have to set a precedent on number of points deducted and apply to all teams equally, you can't fix the penalty so a team does not get promoted, what happens if a mid table team breaks the rules in the same way ?- maybe points are set at 15, if this leads to relegation or failure to achieve promotion they are implemented at end of the season, if not they are implemented at the start of the next season.

But they would be setting a precedent, not as a fixed number of points but by saying you will not cheat your way out of this division. They also did something similar to Southampton over their administration, they docked them 15 points but made it so that if they escaped relegation from the championship then the points deduction would come into effect that season, therefore relegating them, if however, they didn't gain enough points to escape relegation the deduction would take effect the following season in league 1. Catch 22 for Southampton, QPR may find themselves facing the same scenario.

 

[BensGrandad]

I fail to see that if the FA issue a points deduction that THEY KNOW will stop QPR getting promotion how that can be seen as justice based on evidence submitted. The hearing should have been done 2 months ago in order to ensure a fair hearing and punishment being issued to all concerned.

 

[bhaexpress]

I fail to see that if the FA issue a points deduction that THEY KNOW will stop QPR getting promotion how that can be seen as justice based on evidence submitted. The hearing should have been done 2 months ago in order to ensure a fair hearing and punishment being issued to all concerned.

Seeing as the FA have emphatically denied the Sun's story I think we can treat it as just another piece of trash journalism from a trashy rag.

 

[Ecosse Exile]

Seeing as the FA have emphatically denied the Sun's story I think we can treat it as just another piece of trash journalism from a trashy rag.

You may be right about the Sun but the F.A. would deny this story anyway, they cant have a newspaper coming out with these details before they have even had the trial, even if, as i suspect, they have already decideed on the punishment.

On a brighter note for QPR they dragged out the punishment for Chesterfield until near the end of the season but then still left them with a chance of promotion. Many felt the punishment was not severe enough as Chesterfield were indeed still promoted as we all know.

 

[NMH]

What about the politics, and money gains? IF QPR have cheated and get a point deduction BEFORE season end, then they would go down to the playoffs. Any side they beat might say they were unfairly treated by facing QPR instead of another side.

If they are deducted points next season, that might condemn them to relegation instead of another side, and not only could they still rake in the millions for promotion, they'd then get the parachute payment for relegation.... so it would still be win-win for them.

The policing of league clubs makes for a lot of weird angles when the after-the-facts punishments are handed out. Either refuse them promotion, or make them pay loads - according to the fit of the crime.

 

[Ecosse Exile]

What about the politics, and money gains? IF QPR have cheated and get a point deduction BEFORE season end, then they would go down to the playoffs. Any side they beat might say they were unfairly treated by facing QPR instead of another side.

If they are deducted points next season, that might condemn them to relegation instead of another side, and not only could they still rake in the millions for promotion, they'd then get the parachute payment for relegation.... so it would still be win-win for them.

The policing of league clubs makes for a lot of weird angles when the after-the-facts punishments are handed out. Either refuse them promotion, or make them pay loads - according to the fit of the crime.

I totally agree with everything you say here NMH, the punishment for any club has to be a punishment, financially you cannot touch QPR, therefore it has to be points, i wouldn't be surprised to see them deducted enough points to ensure they miss out on the play offs for exactly the reasons you stated above. As i said before Chesterfield were still left with a chance of promotion, which they did achieve and the F.A. were condemned by many clubs and fans for lacking the guts to isssue a proper punishment.

In nearly all cases since they have perhaps gone to far as with Leeds, Luton, Southampton etc but they cant be accused of not doing enough anymore, perhaps the punishment for Palace going into Administration for a second time could have been more severe but thats another matter alltogether.