[Football] Potter [NOT] at Chelsea

[The Fits]

Emotional intelligence. Love how the media are jumping on that. Emotional intelligence my arse. It's more like Artificial Intelligence. It's forced and scripted. Honestly wtf? Emotional intelligence is about processing your emotions and the emotions of others in a healthy and positive way. It's not just being pragmatic. It's not being stoic and withdrawn. There's no indication that he has any superior level of emotional intelligence, but because he's done some random course in it suddenly he is King EI. Big Sam has emotional intelligence. CH has emotional intelligence. Managers have to have emotional intelligence. Otherwise they'd have a break down. It's just nonsense. And he is the one looking like he's been dragged through a bush and losing his temper in press conferences. I mean the guys a good coach but he's not a guru.

 

[Icy Gull]

I refuse to jump on the Potter is basically a bit shit bandwagon, and look to diss him at every opportunity, because he’s not, and he did a fantastic job here imo.

I am even happier with De Zerbi so far but he has Potter to thank for the foundations and he hasn’t been here long enough to hail him as the new Messiah

Potter will do well to come out of his Chelsea experience unscathed I reckon. Chelsea have gone upmarket Nottingham Forest in their hoovering up of players. Any manager would struggle with what’s going on there and I am not convinced he is a strong enough character to cope with it long term, assuming they don’t panic and replace him with a “big” name. Which is likely as things stand.

 

[Swansman]

Swansman has a point here. Sweden, Denmark and Italy all have big hooligan elements in the bigger clubs. Brøndby in Denmark are notorious - the Leeds/Cardiff of the 70’s comparatively.

The problem is nothing is done about it, so you get 200 pissed/coked up angry racist Brøndby fans going to places like Horsens - who have no beef with anyone - and smashing up cafes and bars for no reason.

It sounds ridiculous, but both Sweden and Denmark teams do have some very nasty ultras actually

Ultras and hooligans are somewhat different things.

Ultras = football fans that engage a lot in tifos, banners, loud singing and so forth
Hooligans = people who fight and vandalise
They do indeed overlap sometimes but if we take the bigger clubs in Sweden, they have perhaps 10 000 ultras and maybe 200 hooligans

Ultras


Hooligans

 

[jcdenton08]

Ultras and hooligans are somewhat different things.

Ultras = football fans that engage a lot in tifos, banners, loud singing and so forth
Hooligans = people who fight and vandalise
They do indeed overlap sometimes but if we take the bigger clubs in Sweden, they have perhaps 10 000 ultras and maybe 200 hooligans

Ultras


Hooligans

I’m surprised you know so much about this as, to my knowledge, you’ve never actually been to a live football match. I was a season ticket holder at Odense BK and used to witness hooligan behaviour, by the ultras. You see how it works?

 

[Springal]

I’m surprised you know so much about this as, to my knowledge, you’ve never actually been to a live football match. I was a season ticket holder at Odense BK and used to witness hooligan behaviour, by the ultras. You see how it works?

No one on here has been involved in a football transfer or even played the game professionally but it doesn’t stop people writing about both subjects all day on here

 

[Swansman]

I’m surprised you know so much about this as, to my knowledge, you’ve never actually been to a live football match. I was a season ticket holder at Odense BK and used to witness hooligan behaviour, by the ultras. You see how it works?

To my knowledge pretty much no one here has ever been to a game, aside from very few cases of photographic evidence. I just assume most people go to games sometimes without actually having any proof of it.
There are hooligans among ultras but not all ultras are hooligans = they are different things.

 

[dazzer6666]

Emotional intelligence. Love how the media are jumping on that. Emotional intelligence my arse. It's more like Artificial Intelligence. It's forced and scripted. Honestly wtf? Emotional intelligence is about processing your emotions and the emotions of others in a healthy and positive way. It's not just being pragmatic. It's not being stoic and withdrawn. There's no indication that he has any superior level of emotional intelligence, but because he's done some random course in it suddenly he is King EI. Big Sam has emotional intelligence. CH has emotional intelligence. Managers have to have emotional intelligence. Otherwise they'd have a break down. It's just nonsense. And he is the one looking like he's been dragged through a bush and losing his temper in press conferences. I mean the guys a good coach but he's not a guru.

100% agree. He’s studied it, he doesn’t necessarily have it in spades…..

 

[Clive Walker]

not sure if this is the right thread but with so many people comparing potter with de zerbi i found the following

de zerbi first 15 games:

won 7
drawn 3
lost 5
goals for 32
goals against 22

potters last 15 games:

won 10
drawn 3
lost 2
goals for 30
goals against 10

 

[Mackenzie]

not sure if this is the right thread but with so many people comparing potter with de zerbi i found the following

de zerbi first 15 games:

won 7
drawn 3
lost 5
goals for 32
goals against 22

potters last 15 games:

won 10
drawn 3
lost 2
goals for 30
goals against 10

That’s quite interesting, more interesting still would be Potters first 15 games compared to De Zerbi.

 

[B-right-on]

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not sure if this is the right thread but with so many people comparing potter with de zerbi i found the following

de zerbi first 15 games:

won 7
drawn 3
lost 5
goals for 32
goals against 22

potters last 15 games:

won 10
drawn 3
lost 2
goals for 30
goals against 10

Your point?

Not a fair comparison. Nor is comparing Potters first 15 to RDZs first 15 games.

 

[The Fits]

Yeah it's bit misleading to compare two years into one project Vs two months.

That’s quite interesting, more interesting still would be Potters first 15 games compared to De Zerbi.

 

[B-right-on]

Swansman has a point here. Sweden, Denmark and Italy all have big hooligan elements in the bigger clubs. Brøndby in Denmark are notorious - the Leeds/Cardiff of the 70’s comparatively.

The problem is nothing is done about it, so you get 200 pissed/coked up angry racist Brøndby fans going to places like Horsens - who have no beef with anyone - and smashing up cafes and bars for no reason.

It sounds ridiculous, but both Sweden and Denmark teams do have some very nasty ultras actually

I agree. I lived in Copenhagen for a while quite a few years ago and was pretty shocked tbh.

Also I went to a few games in Poland we with some Polish mates and was surprised at the Ultras there too. Prior to that I'd bought the English media BS that it was just our fans.

 

[jcdenton08]

I agree. I lived in Copenhagen for a while quite a few years ago and was pretty shocked tbh.

Also I went to a few games in Poland we with some Polish mates and was surprised at the Ultras there too. Prior to that I'd bought the English media BS that it was just our fans.

PL is a paradise compared to much of Europe, where open racism and crowd/police violence is commonplace. We have the best league in the world. German football is safe too.

 

[Swansman]

That’s quite interesting, more interesting still would be Potters first 15 games compared to De Zerbi.

More interesting in what way? There's three players left from Potters first 15 games, its an entirely different team.

 

[Mackenzie]

More interesting in what way? There's three players left from Potters first 15 games, its an entirely different team.

Interesting in so much as it’s comparing how Potter got on in a new club environment and players he’d not met or worked with before with De Zerbi’s first 15 games in the same situation (albeit in a new country where he speaks little of the language)

 

[Swansman]

Interesting in so much as it’s comparing how Potter got on in a new club environment and players he’d not met or worked with before with De Zerbi’s first 15 games in the same situation (albeit in a new country where he speaks little of the language)

Its not the same situation. GP took over a team that finished 16th, RDZ one that finished 9th - it would be very odd if the first 15 games didn't have different outcomes.
Mind you, the "GPs last 15 vs RDZs first 15" is not a fair comparison either for the reasons you mention, though the numbers can be used to kill off some entirely mythical things such as the hallucinatory idea that GP couldn't get the current set of boys to put the ball in the net.

 

[jcdenton08]

Its not the same situation. GP took over a team that finished 16th, RDZ one that finished 9th - it would be very odd if the first 15 games didn't have different outcomes.
Mind you, the "GPs last 15 vs RDZs first 15" is not a fair comparison either for the reasons you mention, though the numbers can be used to kill off some entirely mythical things such as the hallucinatory idea that GP couldn't get the current set of boys to put the ball in the net.

Nobody is saying we weren’t playing the best we ever have under Potter - maybe ever. That’s the very reason Chelsea wanted him, they’d hardly want a failing manager.

 

[Mackenzie]

Its not the same situation. GP took over a team that finished 16th, RDZ one that finished 9th - it would be very odd if the first 15 games didn't have different outcomes.
Mind you, the "GPs last 15 vs RDZs first 15" is not a fair comparison either for the reasons you mention, though the numbers can be used to kill off some entirely mythical things such as the hallucinatory idea that GP couldn't get the current set of boys to put the ball in the net.

Well it’s interesting to me to compare those stats.

How about this stat. Potter has a win rate of 45% with a team that finished 3rd in the PL the previous season compared to De Zerbi’s 46.2% win rate with a team that finished 9th. That’s quite interesting too.

 

[Oh_aye]

Interesting article

Potter convinced Mudryk to snub Arsenal and join Chelsea with one phone call

Graham Potter is well known for his emotional intelligence and excellent management of players so it's no surprise he was able to woo Mykhaylo Mudryk

www.football.london

Christ if see one more article referencing his emotional intelligence.

Here's an alternative take.

Chelsea turned up. Mudryk (headphones on chewing gum) and his agent are present.

Chelsea offer Mudryk 50,000 extra emotional intelligences a week and his Mr 15% an extra 3 million emotional intelligences and everyone shook hands.

 

[Swansman]

Well it’s interesting to me to compare those stats.

How about this stat. Potter has a win rate of 45% with a team that finished 3rd in the PL the previous season compared to De Zerbi’s 46.2% win rate with a team that finished 9th. That’s quite interesting too.

Yes, any stat that will fit your narrative will be interesting and any stat that doesn't won't be interesting. You've made that clear through completely ignoring all the differences between where the team was at when GP took over and when RDZ took over.

Yup, no doubt RDZ has had a better start in Brighton than GP in Chelsea. Don't think anyone is questioning that.