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Police Dog bites Palace Fan



Hunting 784561

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Let's hope that the police dog made a full recovery... :moo:

Maimed by a police dog - for being a football fan | UK news | The Guardian


Until 11 September last year, the police were rather admired in the Meyers household. Tony Meyers is a firefighter, a profession in which you work closely with the police and tend to get on with them, and his younger son, then 17, had done work experience with the police and was considering it as a career.All that changed in a few dreadful seconds on Reading station, when the two of them were forced to watch as officers handcuffed Tony's older son, 20-year-old Leeds University student Tommy, forced him on to the ground, and set a police dog on him. The dog bit fiercely into Tommy's face – he couldn't even raise his handcuffed hands to protect himself. The injuries will be with him for the rest of his life, partly because the police refused him access to antibiotics for 14 hours, by which time infection had taken hold.

That day last September started no differently from dozens of Saturdays in the Meyers home: Tony and his two sons, all Crystal Palace supporters, set off for an away match at Reading, which Palace lost 3-0. After the match there was some aggravation between police and Palace fans. At the railway station, the fans were herded on to the Paddington-bound platform, even though some, including the Meyers, wanted to go to a different destination. Some protested vociferously, and a group of fans taunted the police, who thought the situation serious enough to draw their tasers and use batons. The Meyers were briefly confronted by a group of officers and hit by a baton as they crossed the bridge to the platform; they insist they did nothing to deserve it.

One of the officers who confronted them, PC Jonathan McHugh – not the officer who used the baton – says he was assaulted by a Palace fan. He was not seriously hurt, and had no visible injuries, and no one else saw the assault. However, McHugh is adamant, not only that it happened, but that he kept his eye on the man who assaulted him for the next 10 minutes or so, despite the fast-moving and difficult situation on the platform, in order to arrest him when he had time. This man, he says, was Tommy.

A train arrived and removed most of the supporters. Then McHugh went to the other end of the platform, where the Meyers were talking. It's common ground that at this stage Tommy was calm and following his father's advice to co-operate with the officer.

What happened next is bitterly disputed. The Meyers say McHugh gave no explanation for instantly handcuffing Tommy; McHugh says he told Tommy he was arresting him, but did not say what for. Police say Tommy struggled and kicked out; the Meyers faimly dispute this. What is not in doubt is the following: that a very tall officer got Tommy in a headlock while McHugh held on to his arms; that between five and seven officers separated Tommy from his father and brother and pointed tasers at their faces; and that a woman dog handler was on hand but did not release her dog because, she said, she threatened Tommy with a spray gun and that stopped him from struggling, so the dog was not needed.

It's also not in doubt that another dog handler, Jamie Gilson, came from another part of the station, and deliberately deployed his dog while Tommy was on the ground. Gilson later claimed he released the dog at Tommy's legs but that Meyers swivelled 90 degrees; Meyers says he did not swivel, and was not able to do so. The dog bit his face. To show me how the dog used its jaws, Meyers holds his thumb and forefinger expressively against his cheek and neck. The dog embedded its teeth millimetres below his eye, and just behind his ear.Meyers says: "This dog was jumping all over the place. I went rigid like a dead body. There was a lot of pain and a lot of blood. I knew from my own medical knowledge that I'd been badly hurt."

Policing of football matches has caused the FSF so much concern that they launched a campaign called Watching Football is Not a Crime. They say that Meyers' case is one of many in which supporters are treated as though they are all criminals; and that while there certainly are some violent football supporters, the police approach stigmatises all fans.
 




rocker959

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Jan 22, 2011
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Plovdiv Bulgaria
good doggie
 






Ian Bairds Fist

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Nov 26, 2003
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Kingston-upon-Thames
Let's hope that the police dog made a full recovery... :moo:

Maimed by a police dog - for being a football fan | UK news | The Guardian


Until 11 September last year, the police were rather admired in the Meyers household. Tony Meyers is a firefighter, a profession in which you work closely with the police and tend to get on with them, and his younger son, then 17, had done work experience with the police and was considering it as a career.All that changed in a few dreadful seconds on Reading station, when the two of them were forced to watch as officers handcuffed Tony's older son, 20-year-old Leeds University student Tommy, forced him on to the ground, and set a police dog on him. The dog bit fiercely into Tommy's face – he couldn't even raise his handcuffed hands to protect himself. The injuries will be with him for the rest of his life, partly because the police refused him access to antibiotics for 14 hours, by which time infection had taken hold.

That day last September started no differently from dozens of Saturdays in the Meyers home: Tony and his two sons, all Crystal Palace supporters, set off for an away match at Reading, which Palace lost 3-0. After the match there was some aggravation between police and Palace fans. At the railway station, the fans were herded on to the Paddington-bound platform, even though some, including the Meyers, wanted to go to a different destination. Some protested vociferously, and a group of fans taunted the police, who thought the situation serious enough to draw their tasers and use batons. The Meyers were briefly confronted by a group of officers and hit by a baton as they crossed the bridge to the platform; they insist they did nothing to deserve it.

One of the officers who confronted them, PC Jonathan McHugh – not the officer who used the baton – says he was assaulted by a Palace fan. He was not seriously hurt, and had no visible injuries, and no one else saw the assault. However, McHugh is adamant, not only that it happened, but that he kept his eye on the man who assaulted him for the next 10 minutes or so, despite the fast-moving and difficult situation on the platform, in order to arrest him when he had time. This man, he says, was Tommy.

A train arrived and removed most of the supporters. Then McHugh went to the other end of the platform, where the Meyers were talking. It's common ground that at this stage Tommy was calm and following his father's advice to co-operate with the officer.

What happened next is bitterly disputed. The Meyers say McHugh gave no explanation for instantly handcuffing Tommy; McHugh says he told Tommy he was arresting him, but did not say what for. Police say Tommy struggled and kicked out; the Meyers faimly dispute this. What is not in doubt is the following: that a very tall officer got Tommy in a headlock while McHugh held on to his arms; that between five and seven officers separated Tommy from his father and brother and pointed tasers at their faces; and that a woman dog handler was on hand but did not release her dog because, she said, she threatened Tommy with a spray gun and that stopped him from struggling, so the dog was not needed.

It's also not in doubt that another dog handler, Jamie Gilson, came from another part of the station, and deliberately deployed his dog while Tommy was on the ground. Gilson later claimed he released the dog at Tommy's legs but that Meyers swivelled 90 degrees; Meyers says he did not swivel, and was not able to do so. The dog bit his face. To show me how the dog used its jaws, Meyers holds his thumb and forefinger expressively against his cheek and neck. The dog embedded its teeth millimetres below his eye, and just behind his ear.Meyers says: "This dog was jumping all over the place. I went rigid like a dead body. There was a lot of pain and a lot of blood. I knew from my own medical knowledge that I'd been badly hurt."

Policing of football matches has caused the FSF so much concern that they launched a campaign called Watching Football is Not a Crime. They say that Meyers' case is one of many in which supporters are treated as though they are all criminals; and that while there certainly are some violent football supporters, the police approach stigmatises all fans.

No smoke without fire.
 




mikes smalls

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I have to admit I opened this thread expecting to have a laugh, but after reading the story I am disgusted but not that surprised.
I will be travelling to quite a few of our away games this season from London. I'm not looking forward to being herded around by the police and forced on to trains I don't want to get on.
 


Police brutality on a football fan, and it doesn't seem like they picked on a perpetrator who had attacked an officer.
They often trump up those sorts of accusations to excuse their behavior. A particular example was after they murdered Jean-Charles Menezes and claimed he ran, jumped the train barrier, and had a rucksack with wires hanging out of it.

They selected some victim to make an example of, then claim he more than deserved it.


Even if the lad was guilty of something, that's not how a police animal is supposed to be 'handled' or deployed - on a handcuffed prone person.
 
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Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I have to admit I opened this thread expecting to have a laugh, but after reading the story I am disgusted but not that surprised.
I will be travelling to quite a few of our away games this season from London. I'm not looking forward to being herded around by the police and forced on to trains I don't want to get on.

I agree. This bloke was acquitted after being accused by one policeman of assault which noone else witnessed. He was already handcuffed when the dog was set on him. Some forces treat all fans the same way when the majority aren't out for any trouble but trying to get home. It doesn't matter which team you support.
 




patchamalbion

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Feb 26, 2009
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I have to admit I opened this thread expecting to have a laugh, but after reading the story I am disgusted but not that surprised.
I will be travelling to quite a few of our away games this season from London. I'm not looking forward to being herded around by the police and forced on to trains I don't want to get on.

have you been to away games before

why would you be herded around and put on trains you dont want to if your a regular fan travelling to an away game from London?
 


why would you be herded around and put on trains you dont want to if your a regular fan travelling to an away game from London?
That's a good question. Having witnessed a member of the Bracknell posse experiencing exactly that (being pushed on to a train to London at Northampton, even though he had a ticket to York), I'm at a loss to know what the answer is.
 


bhaexpress

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Jul 7, 2003
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Odd, the police dog had the good taste to bite a Palace fan but still ended up with a bad taste in it's and quite a few others mouths. Wonder if it was the same dog that got left in a van last week (not far from me).
 




mikes smalls

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Dec 13, 2006
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have you been to away games before

why would you be herded around and put on trains you dont want to if your a regular fan travelling to an away game from London?

I've been travelling to away games for the past 15 years on trains but more recently by car. I'm not suggesting that at every game you get herded around, however I have experienced this before and on occasions this season I may want to travel in the opposite way to the rest of our away fans.
I think this season there will inevitably be more trouble at away games or at the very least an increased police presence because we are in the championship.
I'm not interested in fighting anyone but I don't think his Palace fan was either.
 


Billy the Fish

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Oct 18, 2005
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Haywards Heath
SHOCK HORROR

OB make up bullshit "assault" to get away with violence, and pick on the smallest bloke in the crowd.

I'd be more surprised by the fact that anyone is surprised by this. It's standard police behaviour as far as I'm concerned :shrug:
 


DTES

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Jul 7, 2003
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London
That's a good question. Having witnessed a member of the Bracknell posse experiencing exactly that (being pushed on to a train to London at Northampton, even though he had a ticket to York), I'm at a loss to know what the answer is.

Out of interest, how did that work out - did he end up buying all kinds of extra tickets/paying penalty fares - and did you recover any of it? (I realise this last bit is probably a stupid question)

This story though is shocking - regardless of who he supports. It could have happened (or still could happen) to any of us...
 




dingodan

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Feb 16, 2011
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f***ing pigs
 


Out of interest, how did that work out - did he end up buying all kinds of extra tickets/paying penalty fares - and did you recover any of it? (I realise this last bit is probably a stupid question).
We were smart enough to ensure that he presented himself immediately to the ticket conductor on the train, who insisted that he left the train and found a member of the station staff to escort him to the correct platform for a northbound train.

I'm not sure how the woman nearby who was also being forced on to the train got on, though. She had a car park ticket for the town centre multi-storey, and really didn't want to travel anywhere by train.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
have you been to away games before

why would you be herded around and put on trains you dont want to if your a regular fan travelling to an away game from London?

Try getting away from Selhurst Park as an Albion fan when you live in London. A mate of mine tried to persuade the old bill to let him go after the game in 2003 but was herded with the rest having been kept behind for ages.
 


Bracknell_Gull

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Jul 4, 2011
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Bracknell
I had similar issues after we played Reading away on a Friday night (not the dog attack, but jobsworth Plod). hell bent on getting me & Y2Dave onto a train back to Brighton when we both live 10 minutes up the road. I had to reel off my full address, home telephone number etc before we were escorted to the relevant platform by a female officer who took pity. Or perhaps she was happy she now had my contact details? Shame she never got in touch, she was hot!
 




I walked past reading station on my way home that evening just before it kicked off. I am totally unsurprised that it kicked off, the palace fans were being less than friendly. I didn't see the incident and hav eno idea if he deserved it but I am not surprised that the dogs were used.
 


fork me

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Oct 22, 2003
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Gate 3, Limassol, Cyprus
Palace fan or not, this is a story we should all be shocked by, but aren't, because incidents like this are all too common. In the case, the Palace were most definitely out scummed by the filth.

This is the sort of case where we should all be united as football fans against those who shouldn't be the enemy, but in many cases seem determined to give us no choice.
 


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