[Football] Police call for cocaine users to be banned from football after Euros mayhem

[herecomesaregular]

Having a good time? At the same time that a good-time Charlie is snorting a line of coke in the pub bogs someone in Colombia or Mexico is being murdered in never ending drug wars. The price of cocaine is paid with blood, and if you are an end-user a splash of that blood is on your hands. Sorry, it's just a fact.

I was happy to smoke dope 25 years ago, while trekking in Langtang, bought from an old lady who grew it at her home up in the Himalayas. the only time I have ever been relaxed and happy about smoking it.

It's the supply side not the demand side that bothers me massively re drugs.

Since then (25+ years ago) I have been very anti illegal drugs for the reasons stated above: the misery and despair their supply causes.

But the genie is out of the bottle for marajuana, cocaine and heroine and some increased legality and approved structure for supply should really be considered, imho. I would certainly vote for such changes. Many things in life I'm quite open to change my opinion on but drug supply is not one of them nowadays. It needs to be treated like alcohol.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

This was very much my first thought. This seems like a subtle act of misdirection. Be seen to be doing something while not really doing much about the core problem. Similar to blaming video games for high school shootings.

If the powers that be are looking for reasons to ban people then surely the most logical reason is for being a dick head? Why not use the CCTV footage and various videos on social media to identify the people doing the wrong thing and ban them for the appropriate time. As you mentioned earlier we already have the laws in place to charge them for different offences. Damage to property, entering without a ticket, assault, breach of the peace, Doing coke while a large crowd cheer (one video I saw - although to be fair this didn't result in much anguish or grief for people).

While I’ve never been in to drugs in any way, I totally agree. If people are doing large amounts of legal stuff but otherwise behaving ourselves, why get too uptight about it in the first instance. It’s the a***hole bit that needs dealing with. Harry Maguire’s dad had two ribs broken - GBH. The racing driver who was mugged and had his £40k watch stolen - theft.

I would support the legalisation approach - control over quality, removal of the means of making vast amounts of money from it, taxing it to pay for free school meals and other things. I know it’s probably not as simple as that, but……

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I have an associate who’s into regular use of dope.

It was never my thing, particularly never being a smoker, but I’m not prudish about those who like it. I’m more against the tar/nicotine destruction of the respiratory system and more.

They got into it because it was either join in, or not be able to join in with all their mates, socialise, hang out with the dope.

I would imagine that if a group of mates were taking coke for a football game, they’d all feel like they better join in. To be on the same wavelength.

That’s how it used to be with speed, I gather

I was at Uni in the early ‘70s and probably most of my friends smoked dope. There were a good number of us who didn’t - just didn’t take it when passed around, and nobody got upset about it.

Most people were sensible, but I saw a few people “ruined” by it.

 

[Goldstone1976]

If Bozza doesn’t want me talking openly about it then obviously he’s free to delete the posts or tto ban me, but I’m happy to talk about it openly because I think it helps if everyone realises the situation we’re at as a country.

Obviously, I can’t speak for Bozza, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with your posts on this matter. You have simply explained your perspective and personal experience.

You’ve not come close to saying anything that would cause me concern from a moderation perspective.

Whether it is wise to have been so open about your personal experiences is a matter for you, not me, imo.

I’ve found your posts on this topic insightful.

 

[BadFish]

Having a good time? At the same time that a good-time Charlie is snorting a line of coke in the pub bogs someone in Colombia or Mexico is being murdered in never ending drug wars. The price of cocaine is paid with blood, and if you are an end-user a splash of that blood is on your hands. Sorry, it's just a fact.

This is sadly true for so many things. Blook may be a bit of an exaggeration for something but certainly, for many things we consume, someone has suffered (or something, if you care to take it a little further).

Clearly, prohibition has not and does not fix the problems in terms of suffering from the supply (it can also be assumed that for many consumers the suffering is no barrier). Time to think of another strategy?

 

[Change at Barnham]

Reading this thread from the beginning has left me feeling sad at how rife drug taking seems to be. I'm clearly very much out of touch.

I'm now thinking it may well explain some of the aggressive views that I've read on NSC that I'd previously just put down to some people being not very bright or caring.

 

[Chicken Run]

You obviously never saw us in the Sami Hyypia era…

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[Chicken Run]

Reading this thread from the beginning has left me feeling sad at how rife drug taking seems to be. I'm clearly very much out of touch.

I'm now thinking it may well explain some of the aggressive views that I've read on NSC that I'd previously just put down to some people being not very bright or caring.

Tbf I don’t think some of the aggressive views on here are as a direct result of substance use or abuse.

Seeing as this thread is on the open side, I’ll mention that 2 seasons ago and I won’t mention the lounge but I went in to the loos to drain the vein just before the match started and a geezer and a bird came out of a cubicle, smiled at me and both went to the mirror to check their hooters for overspill all played out in front of me without a care in the world!


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[Deleted member 2719]

A truly noble crusade, Mouldy.

Thanks

Not sure what you mean by this. It's a board of views and opinions.

There is clearly a major political bias and opinions that run through nsc and it needs a realty check of what is outside this bubble, of course we could all sit on our hands and agree with everything said, just for pure harmony. Nsc would become stale overnight IMO. Yes people like me are happy for some flak, but regular personal abuse is just unacceptable.
But a levelling up is needed imo.

You are doing a great job

Thanks

Reading this thread from the beginning has left me feeling sad at how rife drug taking seems to be. I'm clearly very much out of touch.

I'm now thinking it may well explain some of the aggressive views that I've read on NSC that I'd previously just put down to some people being not very bright or caring.

I fear there is definitely a link here, as some on here that have expressed abuse towards me have expressed their use of drugs. I feel for them but if they personal abuse people without getting bans, what can be done. I would be happy to virtually shake on things said in the past, but currently a couple are on ignore.
I am convinced a huge proportion of mental health issues could be avoided and avoiding drugs would be a major part of it.
I still don't get the draw of wanting to do it, popularity, the inability to "just say no?"

 

[PeterOut]

An alternative (?) view on current drug use (apologies if it has already been posted, this has already become a long thread, I may have missed it) -

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/18/the-euro-2020-football-fan-with-the-flare-deserves-a-break

 

[Guinness Boy]

Isn’t it obvious that people are more likely to behave like a-holes at a football match if they are under the influence of something - alcohol, Coke or whatever?

Not 100% - I manage to have a few pints before most Brighton games and not act like an idiot and so do most of the people I go with. Many Eastern European hoolies are MMA obsessed gym nuts who don't drink before they fight and there were hard core firm members who were like that back in the day.

Having said that, you are obviously correct that the more of either (or both) substance young men have the more likely it is they'll misbehave. But we already have regulations that should mean they don't get in the ground and a club, in Brighton and Hove Albion, who are very likely to hand out long bans for bad behaviour in the ground. So shouldn't it already be being managed?

I guess that last bit is my point - the police seem to be blaming coke for their shambolic failure of a security operation during the Euros - and it's not like Cresida Dick doesn't have form for being useless.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Not 100% - I manage to have a few pints before most Brighton games and not act like an idiot and so do most of the people I go with. Many Eastern European hoolies are MMA obsessed gym nuts who don't drink before they fight and there were hard core firm members who were like that back in the day.

Having said that, you are obviously correct that the more of either (or both) substance young men have the more likely it is they'll misbehave. But we already have regulations that should mean they don't get in the ground and a club, in Brighton and Hove Albion, who are very likely to hand out long bans for bad behaviour in the ground. So shouldn't it already be being managed?

I guess that last bit is my point - the police seem to be blaming coke for their shambolic failure of a security operation during the Euros - and it's not like Cresida Dick doesn't have form for being useless.

As I understand it they are just bringing football banning order legislation for drug misuse into line with that for alcohol misuse. Whilst I can understand the arguments against treating drugs worse than alcohol I don’t really see why you would oppose equivalent treatment.

 

[darkwolf666]

An alternative (?) view on current drug use (apologies if it has already been posted, this has already become a long thread, I may have missed it) -

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/18/the-euro-2020-football-fan-with-the-flare-deserves-a-break

Having read that and the apparent normalisation of cocaine I feel even more out of touch with the world I live in...

 

[Guinness Boy]

As I understand it they are just bringing football banning order legislation for drug misuse into line with that for alcohol misuse. Whilst I can understand the arguments against treating drugs worse than alcohol I don’t really see why you would oppose equivalent treatment.

Two different points:

1) They are not treated equally in other parts of the law. That's my main point. Coke is prohibited, alcohol is pushed at you on every street corner. And, yes, I'd at least de-criminalise drugs but preferably legalise and licence them because the current policy is an utter shambles and no prohibition has ever really been successful (even in Saudi there are "Liptons Ice Tea" parties and a queue of cars to Bahrain every Thursday). It's likely the discrepancy in the banning order is because coke is already banned under another law. I am arguing for equal treatment. And then you could potentially be a bit more honest in your assessment of someone presenting at a football turnstile.

2) That doesn't excuse the Wembley police operation which was an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Weststander]

Reading this thread from the beginning has left me feeling sad at how rife drug taking seems to be. I'm clearly very much out of touch.

I'm now thinking it may well explain some of the aggressive views that I've read on NSC that I'd previously just put down to some people being not very bright or caring.

Including people pi*sed …. some of the aggressive, confrontational posts seem to be late at night.

 

[Randy McNob]

I always have a cheeky line before the game....

 

[Guinness Boy]

Reading this thread from the beginning has left me feeling sad at how rife drug taking seems to be. I'm clearly very much out of touch.

I'm now thinking it may well explain some of the aggressive views that I've read on NSC that I'd previously just put down to some people being not very bright or caring.

Including people pi*sed …. some of the aggressive, confrontational posts seem to be late at night.

Some of the worst posts I've moderated have been put up in the regular morning hours or, at least, day time. A recent one about Marcus Rashford "piping his kids into (girls) mouths", the aggressive trolling from Beach Seagull and his many aliases, symyjym's Trump meltdown and ones from our old friend Bushy that could have been construed as physical threats.

What do you put those down to?

 

[Chicken Run]

I always have a cheeky line before the game....

What game would that be?


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[Eeyore]

Including people pi*sed …. some of the aggressive, confrontational posts seem to be late at night.

You can normally tell when someone has had a few. Which is normally late at night.

Not only that. Late at night, in a more enclosed psychology, folk can behave a little differently, irrationally and with a destructive kind of confidence. It was a trait I noticed in myself many years ago so my brain is alert to it now.

 

[Seasidesage]

Fair enough on the first paragraph. I kind of saw that after I posted as we were posting at similar times.

Re para 2 - yes I know. I would go as far as to say it's a pointless political phrase used to keep the likes of Mouldy from shitting a brick every time they smell a spliff. The War On Drugs are a great band. The actual war on drugs is a futile exercise carried out exactly for a political reason. Now it looks like next season you'll have the Albion checking you've had drugs such as a vaccination administered to you before you can go in and maybe they'll set a drug dog on you for chang, before selling you a legal drug that turns you into an a-hole and wrecks families on the concourse.

Very moral.

This a 100% this. The moral hypocrisy on display on this subject in the last 48 hours is amazing. The Police are concerned that the arrest levels they have at football no longer justify the huge outlay on football intelligence units so banning people already conducting an illegal act means that next summer they can scream about the huge rise in banning orders issued. They are using a one off event where just about every mistake imaginable was made by the authorities to justify new punitive laws to keep the whole farce running.

Cocaine is illegal already, stop and search is legal. Police if you're that bothered, how about using that power which you already have? Alcohol would never be legal if it was invented tomorrow but there are way too many vested interests in keeping that legal same as tobacco...