I thought that both parties has agreed to independent abitration. So it will not be the Football League who decides.
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I thought that both parties has agreed to independent abitration. So it will not be the Football League who decides.
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So it's not the severity of the punishment which is at stake, it's whether there should have been any punishment in the first place which is the bone of contention, which makes the 'they will get five points back' notion all the more ludicrous.
Why?
Wouldn't that be the ultimate compromise? The FL don't totally lose face because its been taken out of their hands by independent arbitration and Leeds get some points back.
Like I said Alan I hope it is rubbish but I'm also worried that its coming from too many sources to be just 'pie in the sky'.
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I too hope it's rubbish because for me it doesn't make sense.
By the sounds of things, the severity of the punishment is not what's at stake here (though whether they would make a claim with such gusto against a less harsh penalty is another matter).
In Leeds' eyes, they would have the same case whether it was a five points, ten points or twenty points penalty. They are making the claim that the penalty itself was illegal. What is happening is that they are trying to set a legal precedent.
The only way the Football League would lose face is if they don't shore up their own rules and allow this dumb challenge to succeed. To me, they will HORRIBLY lose face if they allow Leeds five points back. It would imply that their own rules are not watertight.
The other thing - and you don't actually need me to tell you this - is that often, the root of 'many sources' is just the one source. If you know who that original source is, you can set a lot more store by it. Once that rumour from one source gets out, of course you're going to hear it from many people. If that original source is the Football League, that's one thing, but if the original source is Ken Bates...
In answer to the question I said was dumb (Would I support Dick in any court challenge?), I would say I would support Dick, but I would be surprised if he went down that route. However, we are still a fair way away from that. By the time any decision is reached, there will be more clubs than us (Tranmere, Walsall, Leyton Orient, Southend) who might still be affected. That's when it could get messy.
Seasider78
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This season said:
m20gull
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http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=102569
"Leeds United's independent arbitration hearing will commence on April 14th as Ken Bates looks to prove that the 15 point penalty imposed on the team at the start of the season was un-just."
From this and other things I have seen on the net it looks like the arbitration isn't due to start for two weeks? Has something happened?
"Leeds United's independent arbitration hearing will commence on April 14th as Ken Bates looks to prove that the 15 point penalty imposed on the team at the start of the season was un-just."
From this and other things I have seen on the net it looks like the arbitration isn't due to start for two weeks? Has something happened?
the wanderbus
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surely the role of the arbitrator(s) is to act as an independant go-between, Arbitration is only a means to get the 2 sides together it doesnt hand the decision to a 3rd party, if the f.l. then decide that the 15 points will stand they have every right to disregard any argument offered.......I think.
Da Man Clay
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See my answer earlier on page 3. Other clubs have had new names, for example Luton this year.
m20gull
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My impression is that it is binding arbitration, rather than mediation.
Freddie Goodwin.
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Given that the play-offs follow very closely after the season, how could they push something through in time, bearing in mind there should also be time for any appeal?
If, for example, we got the 6th place , went throught to win the play-offs, would we then be swapped with leeds at a later date?
Also, if we were 6th and lost in the play-offs would all the play off games have to be replayed to feature leeds?
No, it's too crazy to let it happen.
If, for example, we got the 6th place , went throught to win the play-offs, would we then be swapped with leeds at a later date?
Also, if we were 6th and lost in the play-offs would all the play off games have to be replayed to feature leeds?
No, it's too crazy to let it happen.
Sir Norman Gull
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At the end of the day we need to put as many points on the board to make this all irrelevant. Otherwise we are all going to get our knickers in a twist over unsubstantiated rumours.A further point, 5 of Leeds' next 6 games are away from home and the only home game in that mix is on form Carlisle. So there is every chance that any points recovery may still not put them in the play off picture.