Pay As You Go Car Tax

[sten_super]

They won't do that - because it's not about carbon emissions or road congestion, it is about FUND RAISING from the motorist - who is an easy target.

They want road pricing so they can still take cash from us even if we have very fuel efficient cars, electric cars, hyrogen cars... it's just about raising TAX.

Did you actually read any of my initial post? I suggest you read the executive summary of the Eddington report that I linked to, and then come back.

But hey, why let facts get in the way of a political rant, eh?

 

[Man of Harveys]

They won't do that - because it's not about carbon emissions or road congestion, it is about FUND RAISING from the motorist - who is an easy target.

They want road pricing so they can still take cash from us even if we have very fuel efficient cars, electric cars, hyrogen cars... it's just about raising TAX.

Right, OK. Thanks for that. And taxing undesirable activities (such as the overuse of cars) is right and proper and has been done by governments as long as there have been governments. Quite right too.

As I've said before, I'd be amazed if this didn't save weekend drivers like me a fortune, plus I agree with it on principle. So...I won't be signing.

 

[Titanic]

Probably - but how to you disuade people from using their cars, having too many cars, and from buying huge gas guzzlers?

You build more roads, where people want to go!

By all means tax fuel that causes environmental damage - if you spend the money raised on mitigating the damage or 'offsetting' (rather than fighting wars in the Middle East, buying nuclear submarines and warheads etc... etc...)

 

[tedebear]

You build more roads, where people want to go!

By all means tax fuel that causes environmental damage - if you spend the money raised on mitigating the damage or 'offsetting' (rather than fighting wars in the Middle East, buying nuclear submarines and warheads etc... etc...)

Nah - I don't agree with that. Get people out of cars and onto public transport is the way to go, or walk!. If this change in taxation method will help that - then I'm all for it. Might even find the population getting fitter!!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Must check spelling of threads first

Mods please remove cat and replace with car.

Mods please don't

 

[dougdeep]

Ford Feline.

 

[glasfryn]

Must check spelling of threads first

Mods please remove cat and replace with car.

NO,NO,NO, leave it as cat.
I like cats.

 

[Everest]

Over 800,000 signatures now.

 

[Frutos]

Over 800,000 signatures now.

For the car tax, or for something to do with cats?

 

[ditchy]

Nah - I don't agree with that. Get people out of cars and onto public transport is the way to go, or walk!. If this change in taxation method will help that - then I'm all for it. Might even find the population getting fitter!!

love that principle Ted but when they raise congjestion tax to 8 pounds in city and then hike tube fairs to min 4 pounds .. something is wrong becuase it dosent encourage you to use public transport

in Hong kong it costs 30 p to travel min on MTR .(underground system) max is 100 hkd for single or same day return to airport .. aprox 6.25 pounds similar journey as Heathrow express but more efficent .

buses and trams range from 12.5 p to 50 p depending on length of journey but most u pay is 50p for journey equivilant to across london .

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Must check spelling of threads first

Mods please remove cat and replace with car.

Done.

Even though I think the government's proposals are to be supported.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Mods please don't

Sorry for being a pussy.

 

[tedebear]

love that principle Ted but when they raise congjestion tax to 8 pounds in city and then hike tube fairs to min 4 pounds .. something is wrong becuase it dosent encourage you to use public transport

in Hong kong it costs 30 p to travel min on MTR .(underground system) max is 100 hkd for single or same day return to airport .. aprox 6.25 pounds similar journey as Heathrow express but more efficent .

buses and trams range from 12.5 p to 50 p depending on length of journey but most u pay is 50p for journey equivilant to across london .

What will be the incremental reduction in congestion charging and road tax though? I thought that was part of the deal? (correct me if I'm wrong please)

 

[ditchy]

What will be the incremental reduction in congestion charging and road tax though? I thought that was part of the deal? (correct me if I'm wrong please)

i wasnt aware of that Ted so apologies , but public transport still way too high and generally inefficient for it to work properly

 

[tedebear]

i wasnt aware of that Ted so apologies , but public transport still way too high and generally inefficient for it to work properly

Agree - although my logic (and bear with me) is that if we get the cars off the roads, places like London will have less traffic, thus allowing the public transport to run better (buses only obviously). Problem with the transport sytem in the Uk (roads and everything included) is its age. Everything is old and not able to cope with the volume of traffic these days. So removing cars, can only be good.

That is however, if the public transport system is maintained properly, and that private "public" transport like the Heathrow and Gatwick expresses are made affordable...

I can see the logic in the change of taxation method, however I have my doubts about the government being able to manage it correctly (ie billing/software etc) and implement the appropriate other measures to ensure it truly meets the "green" goal...

 

[British Bulldog]

That is however, if the public transport system is maintained properly, and that private "public" transport like the Heathrow and Gatwick expresses are made affordable...

It's not just about the cost it's also about whether the rail network could cope with the increase of public use, I'm not convinced it can.

 

[tedebear]

It's not just about the cost it's also about whether the rail network could cope with the increase of public use, I'm not convinced it can.

I know and I agree - everything in this country was never designed to take such volume...somethings gotta give!

 

[British Bulldog]

I know and I agree - everything in this country was never designed to take such volume...somethings gotta give!

It looks like something is starting to give, The government seem hell bent on pricing people out of travelling.

 

[tedebear]

It looks like something is starting to give, The government seem hell bent on pricing people out of travelling.

Problem is - the cynical side of me always thinks its just another way for the government to raise revenue, but the practical and optimistic side of me says that if this were done in the right way - it could help us pay less tax and be good for the country as a whole...

Often the cynical side of me wins the argument though....