How?! He made a MASSIVE error of judgment - money and time has been spent training him to be able to deal appropriately with situations such as this - nothing arrogant at all about this.
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How?! He made a MASSIVE error of judgment - money and time has been spent training him to be able to deal appropriately with situations such as this - nothing arrogant at all about this.
tgretton87
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- Jul 30, 2011
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They can stick that torch up there Arse. Some kid rides his bike near it and he gets tackled like hes was riding a tank with an AK47.
Im pretty sure if this bloke walked next to it they might have left him alone!
Im pretty sure if this bloke walked next to it they might have left him alone!
Doc Lynam
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A rouge child was spotted nearby in the woods and was suitably dealt with!
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1066familyman
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What a world of difference! The first video is completely over the top. Makes a complete mockery of the following Met Police statement as he very nearly dragged the kid under the moving car! - A spokesperson added: "Although there was no disruption to the relay, we'd like to remind people not to enter the security bubble, this is for their own safety as well as the torchbearer's - The Torch Relay is a moving convoy including vehicles."
The second is a perfect example of proportional response. Superbly dealt with and the policemen involved should be congratulated on their handling of it.
Perhaps they could play these videos side by side as a training video for classic examples of very poor and excellent practice
Doc Lynam
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What a world of difference! The first video is completely over the top. Makes a complete mockery of the following Met Police statement as he very nearly dragged the kid under the moving car! - A spokesperson added: "Although there was no disruption to the relay, we'd like to remind people not to enter the security bubble, this is for their own safety as well as the torchbearer's - The Torch Relay is a moving convoy including vehicles."
The second is a perfect example of proportional response. Superbly dealt with and the policemen involved should be congratulated on their handling of it.
Perhaps they could play these videos side by side as a training video for classic examples of very poor and excellent practice
That is a very good point and you are right the police dealt with the other kids very well, no harm done.
I think it was over the top but I kind of understand it. You can't take any chances these days. It's a crazy world and with such a high profile event you have to treat all threats the same. If you start to allow kids to cycle alongside the runner it opens doors for people to access high profile people at a high profile event. I know it's a bit wild, but I can understand why the security was so tight. You just never know...
Doc Lynam
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Oh come on we are not saying let it be run like a scene from E.T. Yes sometimes you do know, it was a child all he had to do was grab the bike and slow him down. Not grab him put him in a head lock then through him in front of a moving vehicle, the car does brake sharply! All for the sake of protecting a bit of fire. Priorities massively wrong but as was said second incident was dealt with much better. I hope the other copper has been put back behind a desk somewhere.
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libra-gully
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On my day, 17th July, there are at least ten, yes TEN Germans, two from France, and unbelieveably one runner from Moscow.
As for the Torch going past your house, 80% of the route the torch is carried in like a miner's lamp INSIDE the security van.
For example between Brighton and Crawley, lets say Cuckfield for example, the only chance you will get to see it will be as it speeds past at 60mph on A23!!!
Still if you fancy a laugh, seeing a big bloke dressed as a teletubby as he falls flat on his face and struggles to raise to his feet, I'll see you over in Eastbourne before going to Lewes in the evening for the pre-season friendly.
Agreed. It was handled badly but the hand-wringing is just as bad, if not worse.
No he didn't. He made a MINOR error of judgement. I might consider it MASSIVE had he broken the kid's arm or some such. All he's done is take him away from the torch bearer, somewhat heavy handedly. Don't be such a drama queen.
Don't agree. A minor (and completely acceptable) error of judgment was the INITIAL grab. After about 1 second, when ANYONE WITH A BRAIN would've realised that it was very obviously just a SMALL CHILD, he THEN went on to make the massive error of judgment by using way way way too much force for the proceeding 3 or 4 seconds.
I don't see what would stop him doing exactly the same with an old lady, do you?
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Spot on. Ridiculous handling of what should've been a very routine situation, EXACTLY as in the case of those two little kids who did actually try to grab the torch. They were calmly and swiftly escorted away. No stupid "GET DOWN ON THE GROUND" and hurling them around by their neck, throwing them infront of a car that could've easily run them over and killed them. Still, that's not a big deal is it?
Sheebo
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So, slagging off a bloke for pretty much assaulting a child is worse than actually assaulting the child - right o!
"Assault"? f***ing hell. He's whipped him off his bike and forcibly moved him away from the runner. Anyone injured? No.
But to slaughter the bloke INCESSANTLY because he was a bit heavy handed could well be far worse than the incident itself. And [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION], ANYONE WITH A BRAIN can see why this is true. If you berate the guy for doing his job, he might be too leniant next time.
Get a grip, don't be so stupid. Next you'll be telling me they are banning posho sons-of-rock-stars from entering ANY part of London during the tournament incase they decide to swing on a pole.
Sheebo
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Don't wanna get into the what's an assault and what isn't but that is certainly border line in my book - mainly cos it's a kid I suppose. Do you know that nobody was injured? (It might say this in the article - that is a genuine question). He certainly didn't look like he was heading towards the runner at all though doeshe - just a young lad wanting to ride along side it - as people say, a quiet word or hand on shoulder would have suficed. You can tell just from that clip that the bloke is most likely one of those absolute jobsworths.
I wouldn't disagree with you here, but sometimes being a jobsworth is a good thing. I wouldn't necessarily think that asking a simpleton in security to "apply common sense" is necessarily sensible option.
He didn't do his job correctly. Watch the other video, that's how you do it. HUGE difference.
AGAIN (about the 4th time I've posited this to different people with no responses) how would you feel if he'd done exactly the same to an old Doris with a zimmerframe who accidentally strayed into ">>>The Indestructible and Impregnable Security Shield of Anti-Terror<<<"?
Like with people accidently wandering into the security bubble, which they're obviously going to do on a crowded street.
I KNOW he didn't. I'm not arguing that. All I'm saying is that he made a MINOR mistake, not a MAJOR one, and you are acting like a drama queen given that no harm seems to have been done. I find it astonishing that you see fit to accuse other people of being THICK for taking this simple difference of opinon. Especially given what you have gone on to write:
4th time? People are probably ignoring you owing to the stupidity of your hypothetic situation. Old people can't move very fast, you see. This is because their bones and muscles are 70, 80 or even 90 years old. Not quite the same as a teenager on a bike who could run into someone for a laugh with his mates.