O/T Darts (Sorry!) But proof that the PDC clearly needs the BDO

[Harty]

3 of the last 4 at Ally Pally have contested a Lakeside Final in the last 5 years, people say the BDO is a mickey mouse outfit with mickey mouse players but does this stat would prove that's not the case?

 

[BensGrandad]

3 of the last 4 at Ally Pally have contested a Lakeside Fianl in the last 5 years, people say the BDO is a mickey mouse outfit with mickey mouse players but does this stat would prove that's not the case?

None are English that have come up through the pub route but the probability is that an established PDC man will win it either Taylor or Barneveld as I am confident that will be the final , as they are by far the best 2 left in it.

 

[TonyW]

3 of the last 4 at Ally Pally have contested a Lakeside Final in the last 5 years, people say the BDO is a mickey mouse outfit with mickey mouse players but does this stat would prove that's not the case?

Whitlock played PDC before he played BDO.

He couldn't cut it, so he "dropped down" to the BDO to get some decent practise in "major" tournaments.

Now he's good enough to compete in proper darts with the PDC pros.

Barney played his darts in the Netherlands (not the BDO ranks over here).

Taylor is, well, Taylor!

And Webster left the BDO when he realised that he'd gone as far as that tin pot organisation would allow him to.

The PDC v BDO war ended ages ago, because the BDO is dead as a professional darts body.

Grow up and move on.

 

[Questions]

I dont bother with the BDO. Its the Championship to the PDC`s Premiership.

 

[Hercules Rockerfeller]

3 of the last 4 at Ally Pally have contested a Lakeside Final in the last 5 years, people say the BDO is a mickey mouse outfit with mickey mouse players but does this stat would prove that's not the case?

It's not Micky Mouse, but it doesn't compare to the PDC and they probably both need each other. The BDO is a good place to "drop down" to and get some tournament experience, then step back up.

Surely the popularity of both of them can only be good for Darts in the end? Both have a loyal following and both are growing.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

I dont think you can argue that the standard of the top players of the PDC would beat BDO players nine times out of ten. However (i stand to be corrected) is not the PDC more of a Hearn/Taylor show/circus ? I just find the Lakeside atmosphere something else and i would like to go.

 

[Durlston]

No Anastasia Dobromyslova in the ladies BDO tournament now so it's not worth watching at all.

 

[Harty]

Whitlock played PDC before he played BDO.

He couldn't cut it, so he "dropped down" to the BDO to get some decent practise in "major" tournaments.

Now he's good enough to compete in proper darts with the PDC pros.

Barney played his darts in the Netherlands (not the BDO ranks over here).

Taylor is, well, Taylor!

And Webster left the BDO when he realised that he'd gone as far as that tin pot organisation would allow him to.

The PDC v BDO war ended ages ago, because the BDO is dead as a professional darts body.

Grow up and move on.

Tony sorry I think you misunderstood what I was getting at, its not about growing up and moving on, its that Barry Hearn prior to his cheeky offer to buy them out was very dismissive about the BDO, but clearly there needs to be a tournament network where these players can get a grounding which is what the BDO provide.

Just out of interest do you know how many of the PDC last 32 had played in the Lakeside since the split of 1993?

I'd be surprised if it wasn't over 20.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Tony sorry I think you misunderstood what I was getting at, its not about growing up and moving on, its that Barry Hearn prior to his cheeky offer to buy them out was very dismissive about the BDO, but clearly there needs to be a tournament network where these players can get a grounding which is what the BDO provide.

Just out of interest do you know how many of the PDC last 32 had played in the Lakeside since the split of 1993?

I'd be surprised if it wasn't over 20.

In an interview with hearn at the grand slam he said that if the BDO accept their offer he would put money into establishing a single pyramid system at grass root level. If that were to happen it could only be a good thing for the sport because every player would be under the same organisation.

Weather he would actually do that is another question, And I'm not sure what that would mean for darts on terrestrial TV and skys monopoly of the PDC. If they could add another couple of TV tournaments like they have with the grand slam then that would raise the profile yet again. I suppose that's all a pipedrem at the moment though.

The quality of the BDO has been dropping year on year because the best players are chasing the money of the PDC circuit, and why shouldn't they. That's not to say there aren't any decent players left, Adams, Hankey and O'Shea can all average in the high 90's. Three years ago they still had Anderson, Thornton, King, Webster, Whitlock, Klassen, Van Gerwen and would've given the PDC a run for their money. Now they've all left it just isn't as good.

 

[Billy the Fish]

This is why players move to the PDC. 5 televised tournaments a year and the chance of the premier league for the top 6, which I'm sure isn't included in the earnings in this list. I couldn't find a BDO equivalent

1 TAYLOR, Phil England £884,942
2 BARNEVELD, Raymond vaNetherlands£245,079
3 WADE, James England £240,975
4 PART, John Canada £177,611
5 JENKINS, Terry England £165,578
6 KING, Mervyn England £159,579
7 BAXTER, Ronnie England £150,513
8 LEWIS, Adrian England £147,429
9 PRIESTLEY, Dennis England £141,830
10 LLOYD, Colin England £141,064
11 OSBORNE, Colin England £137,346
12 WALSH, Mark England £137,281
13 TABERN, Alan England £134,533
14 HAMILTON, Andy England £131,405
15 PAINTER, Kevin England £121,286
16 THORNTON, RoberScotland £115,628
17 MARDLE, Wayne England £106,863
18 VOORT, Vincent van deNetherlands £100,519
19 BEATON, Steve England £90,285
20 OVENS, Denis England £84,677
21 DUDBRIDGE, Mark England £83,804
22 MANLEY, Peter England £83,707
23 JONES, Wayne England £79,897
24 KLAASEN, Jelle Netherlands £78,321
25 CAVEN, Jamie England £73,839
26 NEWTON, Wesley England £73,364
27 SMITH, Andy England £73,258
28 STOMPÉ, Co Netherlands £69,239
29 SHEPHERD, Kirk England £68,295
30 GERWEN, Michael van Netherlands £65,779
31 ECCLES, Tony England £62,928
32 SCHOLTEN, Roland Netherlands £58,252
33 ANDERSON, Gary Scotland £53,550
34 BATES, Barrie Wales £52,671
35 JENKINS, Andy England £47,175
36 ROY, Alex England £46,333
37 NICHOLSON,Paul Australia £46,004
38 McDINE, Kevin England £45,138
39 MASON, Chris England £44,254
40 CLARK, Matt England £40,278

 

[Harty]

This is why players move to the PDC. 5 televised tournaments a year and the chance of the premier league for the top 6, which I'm sure isn't included in the earnings in this list. I couldn't find a BDO equivalent

1 TAYLOR, Phil England £884,942
2 BARNEVELD, Raymond vaNetherlands£245,079
3 WADE, James England £240,975
4 PART, John Canada £177,611
5 JENKINS, Terry England £165,578
6 KING, Mervyn England £159,579
7 BAXTER, Ronnie England £150,513
8 LEWIS, Adrian England £147,429
9 PRIESTLEY, Dennis England £141,830
10 LLOYD, Colin England £141,064
11 OSBORNE, Colin England £137,346
12 WALSH, Mark England £137,281
13 TABERN, Alan England £134,533
14 HAMILTON, Andy England £131,405
15 PAINTER, Kevin England £121,286
16 THORNTON, RoberScotland £115,628
17 MARDLE, Wayne England £106,863
18 VOORT, Vincent van deNetherlands £100,519
19 BEATON, Steve England £90,285
20 OVENS, Denis England £84,677
21 DUDBRIDGE, Mark England £83,804
22 MANLEY, Peter England £83,707
23 JONES, Wayne England £79,897
24 KLAASEN, Jelle Netherlands £78,321
25 CAVEN, Jamie England £73,839
26 NEWTON, Wesley England £73,364
27 SMITH, Andy England £73,258
28 STOMPÉ, Co Netherlands £69,239
29 SHEPHERD, Kirk England £68,295
30 GERWEN, Michael van Netherlands £65,779
31 ECCLES, Tony England £62,928
32 SCHOLTEN, Roland Netherlands £58,252
33 ANDERSON, Gary Scotland £53,550
34 BATES, Barrie Wales £52,671
35 JENKINS, Andy England £47,175
36 ROY, Alex England £46,333
37 NICHOLSON,Paul Australia £46,004
38 McDINE, Kevin England £45,138
39 MASON, Chris England £44,254
40 CLARK, Matt England £40,278

Move being the operative word Billy as 24 of the above 40 have played in the latter stages, last 8 onwards, of the Lakeside in the last 10 years.

Nothing will happen until Olly Croft goes to the great oche in the sky but one organisation is surely the answer.

Although no one outside the top 20 got as much in a year as our Hibernian bound 3rd choice keeper(allegedly)

 

[Pavilionaire]

It's not a simple as "Whitlock dropped back to BDO cos he couldn't hack it." The guy has a wife and kids in Oz, and the PDC is heavily based in the UK. Now his marriage has gone tits up and his wife won't let him speak to his kids he's (quite rightly) committed lock, stock and barrel to the PDC tour.

No surprises that having agonised for so long now having made the decision he's playing the best darts of his life.

As for the BDO I see from the first WC match up between O'Shea and Green today in the first 10 legs they had a staggering 53 shots at the double between them!

 

[Knightsworld]

Pub darts on at the mo 27 dart leg!! Bring on the PDC Semi Finals tonight.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Pub darts on at the mo 27 dart leg!! Bring on the PDC Semi Finals tonight.

I could beat that

 

[Horney]

I was an avid watcher of the Lakeside in the ' glory years '
So many players were household names and characters...Rees, Evans, Bristow, Lowe, Wilson, Whitcombe, Lazarenko, Gregory, Deller...and many more.
Now, it looks like a county competition and the favourites, O'Shea, Hankey, Adams etc wouldn't threaten the big guns at the PDC.
Taylor and Van Barneveld would have won world titles in any era but they would have found it a lot more difficult against some of those guys mentioned above.

 

[BensGrandad]

Just watched a match between a dutchman Van Weld? and an englishmen that was barely good pub standard they wre getting loads of 45 and 41 scores which you can see week in week out ina local darts league.

Adrian Lewis on his averages would have beaten either Whitlock or Edwards was just unlucky to draw Taylor.

 

[Pavilionaire]

3 of the last 4 at Ally Pally have contested a Lakeside Final in the last 5 years, people say the BDO is a mickey mouse outfit with mickey mouse players but does this stat would prove that's not the case?

Going back to your original question, the BDO keeps producing decent players because it has the league infrastructure to do it. The problem for the BDO is that once they emerge there's nothing at the top of the game to keep them there.

Another point is that whilst the Whitlocks and Websters WERE in the BDO relatively recently their form was nothing like what it's been in this tournament. Webster said last night's match was the best he'd played in his life, even better than when he won the BDO World Final. Whitlock has also never played better.

Much of this is due to the better standard of player in the PDC and the higher prize money which incentivizes players to practice more.

Barry Hearn offered £2 million to acquire the BDO because he recognises they have the infrastructure that can't be replicated. The fact that Olly Croft turned it down shows just what a dinosaur the bloke is.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Grand Slam of Darts 2009 Final.

16 Phil Taylor [1]
2 Scott Waites

Waites plays in the BDO so good to see him in the final, however Taylor demolished him in the final.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Just seen that PDC owner Barry Hearn made a £1 million bid to buy the BDO and thus unify the sport in the UK. However BDO owner Olly Croft rejectoed the bid.....

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Taylor,almost 900K HANG ON. I would have thought that figure is not possible in tourniment wins ? I would suggest he is on a Hearn % ? If so that is wrong and WELL WRONG.